1. Victoria mentioned RESPECT: Do not conflate two arguments with one another. Having respect for someone's views means that I respect your right to have them. I DO NOT however have to agree and it does not give you the right not to be challenged on them. I'm not forcing you to change your stance but I am saying your stance meets certain definitions.
2. And Then people went to mention CONSENT: This is again disingenuous as you are bringing in another point. NO ONE on this thread has ever said you MUST sleep with black guys or anyone else for that matter. You are free to service whomever you please. If you choose to use this choice in a racially discriminatory way, your a racist, but that doesn't now mean you must be raped or forced into anything. I have never advocated for that and have repeatedly said do you.
3. Then somebody said 'are black girls who don't see black clients racist': That is a big and emphatic YES. Racial discrimination is a dictionary definition which (ironically) doesn't see race. So black wgs who don't see black guys= racist. Black wgs who don't see white guys = racist. White wgs who don't see white guys= racist. As long as you prejudice someone based purely on race that is what you are because you only judge based on your perception of someone who has that skin colour.
4. Then somebody said what if you were traumatised by a black person: The very definition of racism is to attribute what one or a few people do to the whole entire group. So if you feel that all black guys are now rapists (which is an understandable feeling after such an event quite frankly) it still doesn't take away from that fact. Too put your argument into context, Millions of black people were traumatised during apartheid, as understandable as their reservations about white people can be, does it make it any more right for them to attribute the characteristics of those people in the past to you right now?
5. Then people say ROAR doesn't mean I discriminate just on race: In general yes i agree. But in the ESA world it is a wholly agreed upon euphemism so it's a fair assumption to make. If you don't allow people due to age, size, pants colour, penis size etc then you discriminate against those people (and anyone who takes offence to that will pick up that fight, I'm good with those) but it doesn't make you a racist. But if you discriminate based on race then bobs your uncle.
6. Then there's the people who come here and say 'there are plenty of women who see every race, so shut up and phone them':
-First of all, that is exactly what I and many other people of colour are doing. For me personally people like them disgust me and even if it were free I'd never go, so thank you but we don't need your useless and unwarranted advice.
-Secondly the fact that there are racist attitudes that are not being portrayed as such is a major problem. That's why people walk around thinking that as long as I don't call someone a k****r I'm not a racist... Utter bullshit
I hope in all of this, people reflect on themselves. But if you don't, nobody's going to die. But I know one or two people will realise that is a very important topic because by prejudicing someone based purely on race, THAT is what you are. because you only judge based on the colour of someone's skin before they even walk in the door.
On 2018-04-11 09:12:25 chancetaker said:
The one time i phoned this other Asian girl she said "if you white price is R800 if you black price is R1100" I just laughed.
Boss, this also happens very often to us Indian punters too! Almost like some WGs and venues have a White/Black/Colored/Charou/Other price list, lol!
I know one white WG who via pm exchanges with punters charge white guys R800. When I called she asked the usual "What nationality are you" and when I say Indian, the price quoted was R2500. So I believe you boss, it does happen.
On 2018-04-11 09:07:09 chancetaker said:
I have had messages from people wanting me to lay it all out there and tell it like it is, so for all of yall I will address all of the points that were raised.
1. Victoria mentioned RESPECT: Do not conflate two arguments with one another. Having respect for someone's views means that I respect your right to have them. I DO NOT however have to agree and it does not give you the right not to be challenged on them. I'm not forcing you to change your stance but I am saying your stance meets certain definitions.
2. And Then people went to mention CONSENT: This is again disingenuous as you are bringing in another point. NO ONE on this thread has ever said you MUST sleep with black guys or anyone else for that matter. You are free to service whomever you please. If you choose to use this choice in a racially discriminatory way, your a racist, but that doesn't now mean you must be raped or forced into anything. I have never advocated for that and have repeatedly said do you.
3. Then somebody said 'are black girls who don't see black clients racist': That is a big and emphatic YES. Racial discrimination is a dictionary definition which (ironically) doesn't see race. So black wgs who don't see black guys= racist. Black wgs who don't see white guys = racist. White wgs who don't see white guys= racist. As long as you prejudice someone based purely on race that is what you are because you only judge based on your perception of someone who has that skin colour.
4. Then somebody said what if you were traumatised by a black person: The very definition of racism is to attribute what one or a few people do to the whole entire group. So if you feel that all black guys are now rapists (which is an understandable feeling after such an event quite frankly) it still doesn't take away from that fact. Too put your argument into context, Millions of black people were traumatised during apartheid, as understandable as their reservations about white people can be, does it make it any more right for them to attribute the characteristics of those people in the past to you right now?
5. Then people say ROAR doesn't mean I discriminate just on race: In general yes i agree. But in the ESA world it is a wholly agreed upon euphemism so it's a fair assumption to make. If you don't allow people due to age, size, pants colour, penis size etc then you discriminate against those people (and anyone who takes offence to that will pick up that fight, I'm good with those) but it doesn't make you a racist. But if you discriminate based on race then bobs your uncle.
6. Then there's the people who come here and say 'there are plenty of women who see every race, so shut up and phone them':
-First of all, that is exactly what I and many other people of colour are doing. For me personally people like them disgust me and even if it were free I'd never go, so thank you but we don't need your useless and unwarranted advice.
-Secondly the fact that there are racist attitudes that are not being portrayed as such is a major problem. That's why people walk around thinking that as long as I don't call someone a k****r I'm not a racist... Utter bullshit
I hope in all of this, people reflect on themselves. But if you don't, nobody's going to die. But I know one or two people will realise that is a very important topic because by prejudicing someone based purely on race, THAT is what you are. because you only judge based on the colour of someone's skin before they even walk in the door.
You are on a public forum, get used to 'unwanted and useless advice' as you put it. I don't recall asking you for your little temper tantrum... but I respect your freedom of speech and right to have it. Maybe try and be more open minded to other people giving advice/opinions? You sure seem intent on others accepting yours. Regarding not accepting free services or utilising services of girls whose opinions you don't agree with. Maybe that's a good thing cause you seem to fall under the ROAR regarding asses criteria. Happy punting ;)
On 2018-04-11 09:18:23 Burfi said:
On 2018-04-11 09:12:25 chancetaker said:
The one time i phoned this other Asian girl she said "if you white price is R800 if you black price is R1100" I just laughed.
Boss, this also happens very often to us Indian punters too! Almost like some WGs and venues have a White/Black/Colored/Charou/Other price list, lol!
I know one white WG who via pm exchanges with punters charge white guys R800. When I called she asked the usual "What nationality are you" and when I say Indian, the price quoted was R2500. So I believe you boss, it does happen.
What The Hell. An attitude like that from a girl... I reckon you dodged a bullet
Please share your views with me regarding "Land expropriation without compensation"
Please share your views with me regarding "Land expropriation without compensation"
@chancetaker
Or to address ur current plight, please share your views on how to "reform the sex industry in SA"....
On 2018-04-11 10:42:48 jjsoap said:
There are many ways to skin a cat. By making the price un-acceptably high you cannot be labeled a racist.
But I suppose it is the best strategy for WGs if they don't want to see a particular group of punters.
On the hand, a punter can call the bluff and make a booking. At least she will get well compensated for the trauma of seeing someone she doesn't want to.
There are strip clubs who was exposed for doing exactly that also, by charging black patrons three times the entrance fee.
On 2018-04-11 11:13:02 Wild_Weasel said:
@chancetaker
Or to address ur current plight, please share your views on how to "reform the sex industry in SA"....
There must be a punter our there looking for a PhD topic. This is it!
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