On 2018-07-21 03:53:05 Veronica Franco said:


Okay...so you are attracted to all ladies? Fat, thin, white, black, chinese etc? You have absolutely no prejudice when it comes to looks Or who you're attracted to? I find that hard to believe...prejudice is not only applicable to colour...it is very normal in terms of being human...are you not human? Even so...people are very rarely empathetic.

There is also this thing called freedom of association...it's in our constitution...even we have that freedom. Funny though considering if people choose only to associate with their own race, it's called racism....but only if you're white! Nowhere in our constitution does it say we have to associate with other races or we have to sleep with other races....it says we may do so if we choose to...if we do not choose to, it's our right not to do so!

Why is it okay for you to choose a white girl but its not okay for her to choose a white guy?

I am attracted to women, women with certain characteristics mostly (slim, with bigger breast and tight ass). Whether that package comes in a black or white or Indian skin colour doesn't matter for me. I've been with (dated not just punted) all of these races. Honestly for me it doesn't matter. I like all type of girls. I like slim girls so i DO discriminate against big girls. I do, but unlike some people I DON'T deny it. If you call me a size-ist I will agree with you because that is what I am, a person who discriminates against fat girls. I'm not going to argue with you over something where I CLEARLY meet the definition.
No whether or not being a size-ist is acceptable is a matter of opinion. Some might say in this case it's justified because it's my body some might say it isn't, I'm not here to argue opinion. But that doesn't change the FACT of what it is, it's size-ist.

You have the freedom to associate with whomsoever you choose. That doesn't mean that you have the right to not be judged by that choice.

You have the right to associate with Guptas for example no one can stop you. But I have the right to think you are corrupt because of who you have chosen to associate yourself with.

You can associate yourself with the KKK or Afriforum etc. That is your right, but if you do that you cannot then be hurt and surprised when people associate you with racism.

Having a right means I can't stop you from making the choice, but it DOESN'T absolve you from the consequences of that choice.

On 2018-07-21 10:37:17 chancetaker said:
On 2018-07-21 03:53:05 Veronica Franco said:

Okay...so you are attracted to all ladies? Fat, thin, white, black, chinese etc? You have absolutely no prejudice when it comes to looks Or who you're attracted to? I find that hard to believe...prejudice is not only applicable to colour...it is very normal in terms of being human...are you not human? Even so...people are very rarely empathetic.

There is also this thing called freedom of association...it's in our constitution...even we have that freedom. Funny though considering if people choose only to associate with their own race, it's called racism....but only if you're white! Nowhere in our constitution does it say we have to associate with other races or we have to sleep with other races....it says we may do so if we choose to...if we do not choose to, it's our right not to do so!

Why is it okay for you to choose a white girl but its not okay for her to choose a white guy?

I am attracted to women, women with certain characteristics mostly (slim, with bigger breast and tight ass). Whether that package comes in a black or white or Indian skin colour doesn't matter for me. I've been with (dated not just punted) all of these races. Honestly for me it doesn't matter. I like all type of girls. I like slim girls so i DO discriminate against big girls. I do, but unlike some people I DON'T deny it. If you call me a size-ist I will agree with you because that is what I am, a person who discriminates against fat girls. I'm not going to argue with you over something where I CLEARLY meet the definition.
No whether or not being a size-ist is acceptable is a matter of opinion. Some might say in this case it's justified because it's my body some might say it isn't, I'm not here to argue opinion. But that doesn't change the FACT of what it is, it's size-ist.

Trust me...there are girls that wouldn't mind saying they are racist, but they then leave themselves open to harrassment and all kinds of problems from other races. Its dangerous. They just don't need the hassle because some can be like a dog with a bone when it comes to that!

But your prejudices are just as hurtful to big women as race might be to rejected races! We all have a choice!

On 2018-07-21 10:42:35 chancetaker said:
You have the freedom to associate with whomsoever you choose. That doesn't mean that you have the right to not be judged by that choice.

You have the right to associate with Guptas for example no one can stop you. But I have the right to think you are corrupt because of who you have chosen to associate yourself with.

You can associate yourself with the KKK or Afriforum etc. That is your right, but if you do that you cannot then be hurt and surprised when people associate you with racism.

Having a right means I can't stop you from making the choice, but it DOESN'T absolve you from the consequences of that choice.

So if white people are afraid of black men due to attacks and rapes of either themselves or others, then its wrong for them to fear black men for instance? Even black women have these issues...

The following is a story written by a black man that I found on social media:

Today I took a walk in my mixed neighbourhood where I live. As I was walking alone down some quiet streets, I first came across 2 ladies, as I was approaching them, I could notice their eyes filled with fear, they both changed the direction and walked on the other side of the road. I continued with my walk, once again I came across another young lady, saw her eyes filled with fear, as she was trying to change directions, I went to her, I could see she wanted to scream but I told her I will not harm her just wanna ask her something. Finally she was releaved, I asked her why was her eyes filled with fear when she was approaching me ? She replied and said " because you men of South Africa are not to be trusted, who knows maybe you could have raped and murdered me, even burn my body alive, after all that's what you men of SA do to us, so how can we trust you ? Everyday whenever I come accross a man from SA, I just say a small prayer to God asking him to protect me ". I was just out of words, just left the lady couldn't say anything to her. It is so sad that us the black men of SA, our own women and children do not trust us anymore because of our actions towards them. We rape and kill them like they are flies yet we are suppose to protect them. This is not the first time, I have been noticing such for a very long time. As men of SA we need to change our behaviour, let us stop raping and murdering our own women and children. As SA men we are the reason this country is the way it is today, we rob innocent people, rape and kill innocent people, hijack innocent people etc, all the havoc in this country is because of us black men of SA. What is really wrong with us SA men really ? I say enough is enough, we SA black men are an embarrassment to this world. SA is the rape capital of the world because of us, SA is the murder capital of the world because of us SA black men, all the properties burned down and destroyed it's because of us SA. Yes not all SA black men are like this but at the end of the day our reputation as SA is ruined because of a few. I urge all our SA men to do something about this issue, let us protect this country instead of destroying it. How I wish all of us innocent SA men can have a gathering somewhere where we will discuss such issues and do something about these issues, I say enough is enough, crime must fall.

I see all races but even I'm afraid. Does that make me cautious or racist?

Most whites think I'm nuts or stupid to see all races!

On 2018-07-21 10:42:36 Veronica Franco said:


Trust me...there are girls that wouldn't mind saying they are racist, but they then leave themselves open to harrassment and all kinds of problems from other races. Its dangerous. They just don't need the hassle because some can be like a dog with a bone when it comes to that!

As long as they admit they are racist then it's fine.

If they feel being a racist is okay, is not an issue for me. That's between them and their conscious.

My opinion though (which is not a statement of fact) is that if you are going to treat others a certain way, I'm not going to feel sorry for you when bad shit happens. Like when those social media racist lose they're jobs and livelyhoods and are ripped to shreads, I personally think that's deserved. SA should have a strict non-racial policy. (Again This is just my opinion)

On 2018-07-21 10:52:54 chancetaker said:
On 2018-07-21 10:42:36 Veronica Franco said:

Trust me...there are girls that wouldn't mind saying they are racist, but they then leave themselves open to harrassment and all kinds of problems from other races. Its dangerous. They just don't need the hassle because some can be like a dog with a bone when it comes to that!

As long as they admit they are racist then it's fine.

If they feel being a racist is okay, is not an issue for me. That's between them and their conscious.

My opinion though (which is not a statement of fact) is that if you are going to treat others a certain way, I'm not going to feel sorry for you when bad shit happens. Like when those social media racist lose they're jobs and livelyhoods and are ripped to shreads, I personally think that's deserved. SA should have a strict non-racial policy. (Again This is just my opinion)

Admit it to who? You? All black clients? As I said it's dangerous to outright admit that! We are targeted more so then any other proffession as we allow strangers into our personal space in a situation that leaves us vulnerable! If a girl feels theres more chance of something bad happening to her with a black man, she's well within her rights to refuse them service without being labelled a racist! Caution is our right to practice. Just as each client has the right to reject drug addict ladies or those that work in dodgy areas. It's sad but it is what it is! Your ideas are totally valid anywhere else, but this industry is a totally different kettle of fish! Recognize that!

On 2018-07-21 10:52:45 Veronica Franco said:


So if white people are afraid of black men due to attacks and rapes of either themselves or others, then its wrong for them to fear black men for instance? Even black women have these issues...


I see all races but even I'm afraid. Does that make me cautious or racist?

Most whites think I'm nuts or stupid to see all races!

I'm going to answer this in two parts:

FACT - if you have a certain attitude about an entire race regardless of anything that specific person has said or done. If you have a certain belief, stigma, or action against someone based PURELY on the colour of their skin that is racial discrimination clear and simple. Whether it's black on white, white on black, Indian on asian whatever.

OPINION - is it justified? Honestly I don't know. There are stories out there that scare even me i won't lie. But in the same light I've heard of some very nasty things that white people have done. So I think as a problem avoidance strategy, I have my doubts. I personally have an issue where I tend to think all white people have racial issues (which in itself is a blanket racial sterotype, don't worry the irony isn't lost on me) that's a belief I have due to more than enough evidence, but I ask myself is it justified to now treat EVERY new white person I meet badly because of what a few have done. The answer I came up with was no its not justified. And I purposely work everyday at changing my mind set. Some days are harder than others and some days I get it wrong and I feel myself having these prejudices. But I have identified it and at least I know it's there.
But that's MY answer, there may be some who say treating all black people like dogs is justified because of the actions of some, and well that's your opinion. But if you find yourself on the same side of an argument as Verwoed etc then maybe it's time to re-evaluate. But that's up to you

Be sure to differentiate between a racist and racial preference.

Everyone has the right to racial preference.

On 2018-07-21 11:02:59 Veronica Franco said:


Admit it to who? You? All black clients?

Your ideas are totally valid anywhere else, but this industry is a totally different kettle of fish! Recognize that!

Admit it to themselves. I am nobody to them AND I have no desire to be anything to them.

Unfortunately the definition of a racist doesn't exclude this industry.

What I do find interesting though is that the label of being racial discriminatory bothers you more than the action of racially discriminating. You don't mind doing racist things as long as you don't get called out for it? You agree that people are discriminating based on race but you don't want to call it racial discrimination...

On 2018-07-21 11:17:45 Mike X said:
Be sure to differentiate between a racist and racial preference.

Everyone has the right to racial preference.

If you are going to ignore everything we just discussed then okay... thank you for your input