On 2019-05-25 08:04:08 Ladylover007 said:
Yes Tegwane...again it depends on severity.
In 2012 in London I was myself the subject of action for a lessor offense. Stupidity on my side but also with good reason. I was allowed to continue with my normal duties while the investigation took place. Ended up in receiving a warning. Bear in mind I was a contractor and not permanent staff, so they could have dismissed me immediately.
Another example...recently a FX Trader at a large bank hid R50m of losses in another trader's account so it would not partially offset R100m profits made. This was right before bonus time of course. In my opinion a dismissible offense. After a one week suspension...I saw him back at his desk.
Point is not all cases are treated the same and receive the same punishment.
Ok, how long were you a contractor, because there are implied terms and conditions. Of course they allowed you to work, they realised you weren't going to be sacked, so why pay you to sit at home.
In regards to traders, I will not comment, but in regards to process, was it followed, and if so was it a fair and equitable one?
In the trader's case there were also financial penalties involved. In my opinion the punishment was to light...then again...I am not in possession of all the facts so I trust that fair and due process was followed.
The point you want to make is due and fair process I guess.
On 2019-05-25 08:31:41 Ladylover007 said:
Yes Tegwane I was a contractor for 5 years years, so that would mean that I am regarded as permanent staff. They could have ended my contract with 1 weeks notice as they had that right anyway. Yet I was treated in a fair way and not given a blanket punishment.
In the trader's case there were also financial penalties involved. In my opinion the punishment was to light...then again...I am not in possession of all the facts so I trust that fair and due process was followed.
The point you want to make is due and fair process I guess.
They couldn't end your contract with a weeks notice, unless you had another contract with another company. They would've had to follow the disciplinary process with ACAS guidelines and reached a fair decision, which of course you could appeal. The minimum notice would've been four weeks except if it was instant dismissal
Now I am not comparing ESA to a large global bank...just saying a "one size fits all" policy is not a fair one in my opinion and there are alternatives they could look at.
But in the end it is up to them and we can't instruct them as to how they should apply their rules and policies.
One can only hope that they do it in a fair way, especially where their advertisers are concerned.
On 2019-05-25 08:58:55 Ladylover007 said:
All good Tegwane...We could argue the process....things worked a bit differently back then at the big banks. The point is that a process is followed and usually it's a fair one.
Now I am not comparing ESA to a large global bank...just saying a "one size fits all" policy is not a fair one in my opinion and there are alternatives they could look at.
But in the end it is up to them and we can't instruct them as to how they should apply their rules and policies.
One can only hope that they do it in a fair way, especially where their advertisers are concerned.
The banks in the UK believe they are above ACAS but unfortunately they aren't above the process as their HR teams have found out.
I agree 100% with the rest of your post
Edited: 2019-05-25 09:41:38
On 2019-05-24 13:31:40 Meg said:
On 2019-05-24 13:17:06 Veronica Franco said: Welcome back Meg! You have lots of fans that won't stand for your silence it seems! We all make mistakes but you never did anything intentionally! Sometimes a small kindness can mean the world to somebody especially in tough times!
Vee spoken true words.
Yes this is the worst time of my life..you where here with me last year when we PMd.
The silence would have killed me...it's bad being really alone.
That's why I interact on the forum...this is my people.
I've never thought someone could care so much and help me out.
Thank you from the bottom of my heart my lady.
If we can not stand together and support each other...perhaps you the only one that does offer to help.
Always remember that.
I think I know in my heart who helped.
To each and everyone...Thank you so much.
This brought tears to my eyes !!!!
Thank you for giving us insight on what chatting on the forum means to different people.
I always thought it was an addiction and getting banned years ago got my head out of my PC and suddenly everyone around me said hello who are you.....Now I only read every now and again and have very little to say.
Now I see clearly there are different reasons why people chat on the forum.
Welcome back Meg, hope you both NEVER get banned!
Sending you love and light
I would also like to add that the internet is still a relatively new tool that never came with rules. I see new things come up everyday with regards to new changes in both law and individual websites rules. Everybody changes things as necessary, even FB and ESA has come a long way from the days of old when there were no rules and utter chaos. There is always room for improvement in every business but that is ESA's prerogative!
On 2019-05-24 14:06:20 Veronica Franco said:
Megs ban was not lifted but apparently paid for by punters that donated towards the fine! ESA does not apologize for enforcing their rules!
I would also like to add that the internet is still a relatively new tool that never came with rules. I see new things come up everyday with regards to new changes in both law and individual websites rules. Everybody changes things as necessary, even FB and ESA has come a long way from the days of old when there were no rules and utter chaos. There is always room for improvement in every business but that is ESA's prerogative!
Fully agree with you Miss VF...their prerogative entirely...we can only hope for logic and fairness.
Edited: 2019-05-25 10:45:48
On 2019-05-24 17:32:52 Tegwane said:
On 2019-05-24 16:19:22 ESA Forum Admin said: On 2019-05-24 14:01:30 S247 said: On 2019-05-24 12:54:56 Meg said: People I can't say in words what this action ment to me.
How do I say thank you ....from the bottom of my heart in helping lift this ban.
This really came as a surprise and a great big shock to say the least.
To the anonymous sponsors who made it possible to get me back.... Please I would just like to say THANK YOU.
You had me in tears yesterday with this deed.
I will forever be thankful.
The ban came as a shock as I didn't know there where people advertising for a grooming service on ESA.
I will or would never take money away from my fellow workers.
So I do apologise if I said anything or did anything wrong.
Have a blessed weekend everyone.
Thank you so much.
Kind regards Meg x
No apology from esa or something hmmmmmm ahhhh well atleast its weekend and payday and almost end of ramadan ..things can get only better i feel a change in the wind ..
Dear S247
Should we apologize for enforcing our policy?
The freeloading policy is in place so that the only people who benefit from this platform is our paying advertisers, it is in the advertiser's interest to enforce our policy themselves.
We do not get any joy from banning our advertisers or the gentlemen but we have to in some way keep order on the forum.
It is very important that everyone knows that this forum is a free service no advertiser, gold member or basic member pays for the use of it.
The use of this forum is a privilege that should not be taken for granted.
The cost of running this platform is paid for by the direct of Escort South Africa and he makes the policies here.
If there are any objections by any user or advertiser on our policies then, unfortunately, they are in the wrong place.
Our policies are not open for debate just as I'm sure your company or the company you work for policies are not debatable.
Regards
Antionette
Escort South Africa
Good afternoon, most companies have shareholders who have a say in the running of the company, are you implying that this is not the case here?
Dear Tegwane
Escort South Africa has one owner there are no shareholders.
I'm not certain what interest our management or exact operation structure has to do with you.
We run and operate the forum and this website as we see best and to maximize our advertiser's earnings. Obviously, you and others know better as always, simply start your own website and forum and apply your brilliance to your own entity.
Maybe I can drop by your platform and tell you how poorly you are running your platform.
Regards
Antionette
Escort South Africa
On 2019-05-25 10:19:36 ESA Forum Admin said:
On 2019-05-24 17:32:52 Tegwane said: On 2019-05-24 16:19:22 ESA Forum Admin said: On 2019-05-24 14:01:30 S247 said: On 2019-05-24 12:54:56 Meg said: People I can't say in words what this action ment to me.
How do I say thank you ....from the bottom of my heart in helping lift this ban.
This really came as a surprise and a great big shock to say the least.
To the anonymous sponsors who made it possible to get me back.... Please I would just like to say THANK YOU.
You had me in tears yesterday with this deed.
I will forever be thankful.
The ban came as a shock as I didn't know there where people advertising for a grooming service on ESA.
I will or would never take money away from my fellow workers.
So I do apologise if I said anything or did anything wrong.
Have a blessed weekend everyone.
Thank you so much.
Kind regards Meg x
No apology from esa or something hmmmmmm ahhhh well atleast its weekend and payday and almost end of ramadan ..things can get only better i feel a change in the wind ..
Dear S247
Should we apologize for enforcing our
Good afternoon, most companies have shareholders who have a say in the running of the company, are you implying that this is not the case here?
Dear Tegwane
Escort South Africa has one owner there are no shareholders.
I'm not certain what interest our management or exact operation structure has to do with you.
We run and operate the forum and this website as we see best and to maximize our advertiser's earnings. Obviously, you and others know better as always, simply start your own website and forum and apply your brilliance to your own entity.
Maybe I can drop by your platform and tell you how poorly you are running your platform.
Regards
Antionette
Escort South Africa
Good morning Ma'am
As this is addressed to me, I can take umbrage. Never since I have joined your site have I said this is a 'poorly' run site. I have the greatest respect for the work that you and the team do, due to the multiple personalities on the site, it must be a flipping nightmare. I realise it is your house your rules, but was merely questioning if you listen to complaints questions and some valid ideas from the participants (shareholders) on this site
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