Written at 20h45 as I am still under moderation.

I was priviledged to have been brought up in a house where manners were taught to us from early childhood. It became a way of life and set us apart from other children that did not have such impeccable manners as did we.

From an early age we would open the doors for a lady to enter a vehicle, before jumping in ourselves. How many times do you still see this happening? With the advent of centralised locking and a remote control, the door is unlocked en route to the car and for each his own.

A difficult one was the bithday gifts from people you hardly know. But they thought enough of you to buy you a toy or a dildo or a bunch of roses, so at that moment they were actually thinking of you. So the polite thing would be to say thank you. Just good manners.

Same with using eating utensils. The knife is NEVER put into one's mouth to lick it off. It simply goes against my grain to see someone doing it, and I must force myself to remain quiet not to say something.

A lady does not have to pour a drink when it is put in front of her, it is the gentlemen's duty to fill her glass in the event that a waiter is not around.

Lighting a cigarette was something that we missed, as I am not a smoker, but it has in any case now become sociallly unacceptable to smoke. The smokers are banished to little rooms in restaurants to hasten their deaths, struggling to breath in those last few years with oxygen tanks in tow, yet finding it ever so cool to light that one with the warning : smoking is harmful. Can't read ?

Coupled to this was the fact that a gentleman never lies. It always complicates things, and the saying : "the truth shall st you free" , is a motto by which I live. Sometimes a little difficult, but always effective.

Being then on the receiving end of bad manners and lying really grinds my guts. It shows disrespect, and again a distinct lack of manners from the other side. Do unto others what you want them to do unto you.

But I am probably preaching to the wrong crowd here. For the upbringing part is done. All the participants hopefully over 21 years of age. So the bad manners and lying would then in any case just be perpetuated.

Maybe just get with the program. This is a punting site after all. That famous expression : "we clicked" is nothing more than the sound of their sonar to check the size of your wallet. The saying : "I like spending time with you" nothing more to gauge your reaction, as return business is the easiest of way of keeping customers and again getting access to your wallet. "You are such a wonderful person" only means that they are happy that you are here spending the contents of your wallet on them.

Cynical, yes, but after being the recipient of bad manners and lying on ONE day not once, but twice, really just rubbed me up the wrong way.

Anyway, peace and good wishes to all.

Manners maketh man. A saying made famous once more by Harry Hart quite recently in Kingsmen.

Soo soo true Peterbucks on the manners part. However I beg to differ on the time I spend with my clients. We both enjoy the times spent

Unfortunately this is not the industry one should be looking for integrity or morals.

It is a mistaken notion to think that we must not aspire to good manners and integrity in this industry.

Most people of this generation are gross, ill bred, and unlettered.
It is considered to be "uncool" to be refined, well bred and literate.

There Is always an exception to every rule. Like all things beautiful and worthwhile - they must be found. You can always tell when someone is been sincere or not, and sad that u feel ur wallet is bigger than your soul. Overall I think it's commendable that you took the time to write so beautifully about it ... Maybe it struck a cord with some.

This industry has been underground for so long, which originated with drug dealers and their pet addicts .... It's become more main stream these days, It's places like HOE and guys like you that bring the industry up a level.

There are classy clients and not so very 'well mannered' ones too. Hence why the call screening and first contact is so important in deciding which lady to spend time with.

Hope it gets better for you, and pls keep on writing xx

Unfortunately there's only a handful of individuals be it punter or WG who mess things up for the rest of us.
Take Meg's post as an example, where she did an allnight with a client and then had to beg to be paid.

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Well said PB

My 2 cents worth.

I too like PB was brought up in the good old English tradition or table manners and language in front of a lady, opening doors etc.

Luckily, thus far I have yet to encounter a WG that has been rude. Maybe it is because I am increadably fussy about who I see, maybe just luck.

I am shocked sometimes at the level of education among some of the people on this site, but I guess for a large majority of WG's this is the only reasonable income they can earn. But as far as some punters go . . . . . . Eish!!!

I have and will always treat my chosen lady the way I treat any non WG lady that I hope to take to my bed. That is why when I initially joined the site, I felt insulted when a girl said to me OWO if you are clean! It is just never an option for me

Well said PeterBucks. I to grew up in a very strict household. My father especially believed in manners. Dishonesty was and still is a pet hate of his. I learnt the hard way that honesty is the best policy. I try as hard as I can not to be rude but there are times in this industry that people take blatant honesty in the wrong way. Especially when they expect me to fake it and lie. Goodness knows some guys forget we are also human beings with emotions and it is wrong to push us when we are clear about what we allow and don't allow. Just last night I had to push a man off me because he entered me without a condom when I am very clear that I DO NOT do penetration with out a condom whether I like you or not. Does not matter. At the end of the day you are just a client and if my service gets boring you will go else where. I am well aware that what I have just said and am saying may cause problems for me but I to have come to hate dishonesty. I don't want to hear the lies of this industry. Sometimes I will have fun in this line of work but I do not expect to always do so. I just try to provide the best service I can.

Posted at 17h50 on Tuesday

I thought this thread about manners was dead and buried, and to my utmost surprise some people read it and responded on it. For that I thank you.

I have in my short time here learnt one thing, and that venting on this site is not a good thing and that you are usually sorry after a while if you write something in the heat of the moment (See my posts about my Princess and the Mirror). So I was very careful not to be derogatory in any way, simply pointing out that for me that is use to people in my immediate circle to have good manners, to have someone that you share and choose to share (as Ricky so rightly said) intimate moments with, spending valuable time with, not reciprocating with at least the smallest of acknowledgements of thanks for a gift delivered at their doorstep, was a little strange and prompted the thread.

The thanks afterwards from the one person sounded a little hollow, prompting a thought that maybe she is not deserving of the gift in the first place, and secondly that it now casts that small shadow of doubt in your mind as to the future suitability of her in your life.

This is probably not the place to look for morals and integrity, but I am a firm believer in the good of my fellow man. So I will keep looking for those traits in the people that I choose to associate with. And I would rather be "uncool" than to compromise a lifetime of manners and become like an animal, part of the pack mentality so prevalent in this site.

Honesty is without compromise, no need to elaborate on it. I found that if I am asked something that an honest answer might reveal too much, I would rather say I decline to answer than to lie.

As to seeing if someone is sincere, I am probably a novice at that. Some ladies here are past masters in the art of deception, and for someone wanting to see the good in another, I am pretty sure that I will stumble along the way.

I salute all of you that took the time to reflect on my post, and only wish you the very best.

Peter