Sometimes we get what we wished for. Sometimes what we wished for is not always a good thing ...

There should be no such thing as a coalition ... what a load of BS

We'd have to then vote for a President and not allow parties to elect one. In our current system, without a coalition, no president, no government. Kinda in a shit place at the moment ... but interesting nevertheless.

Jacob is not finish yet, he is threathing violence if there are not a recount of the votes.

Not sure how he think the will go from 14.5% to 51% with a recount to allow him and his friends to steal more money from the poor.

On 2024-05-31 13:02:13 RickyTan said:
The ANC going into coalition with the MK and/or EFF is a scary thought, and unfortunately a reality. The fact of the matter is the MK (and the EFF for that matter) are just a bunch of disgruntled ex-ANC members. In particular the MK are people that just recently left the ANC and a tie up with them would seem likely. Their manifesto is seriously scary - nationalise everything, scrap the constitution, give power to traditional leaders and throw out the western "Roman-Dutch" law system and bring back indigenous law. Basically state capture again but this time legal and on a ginormous scale and taking us to the dark ages of ancient laws and failed communists/socialist policies.

The ANC vultures will have to sit with these MK and EFF hyenas and see what is left to share of the almost empty carcass that is SA. Scary times ahead.

What a load of rubbish.

The NP made the exact same noise in 1994 before our first democratic elections. Saying the country would fall apart and become "just another African state". South Africa then went on to have its best decade under Mandela and Mbeki, moving to A levels with international credit rating agenciees.

This collapse talk is absolute nonsense, stop taking everything Helen Zille says at face value. She and her party will lie to your face to push their agenda... just like the DA lies about them bringing the ANC down below 50%.

There are no multi national corporations that will just up and leave because of a different, more left leaning governmnet, i.e. if the ANC and EFF form a government or share control of government. Do you think a corporation is stupid enough to just pull out of major investment and profits at the drop of a hat? If so... then why did so many businesses do business in South Africa during apartheid?

Its about profits first and always for any organisation in South Africa, understand that point.

There will be a given and take across the board with an ANC-EFF coalition. Give and take from the private sector, give and take from international allies, give and take from government policies as well.

If the DA do a coalition with the ANC, there may be more business focused centrist policies. But there will still be pushing by the ANC to bring in leftist policies... that will not go away. It will be the same give and take discussions on policy and governance.

The bottom line here is that the ANC has been forced to be accountable as a government. THAT is the win for South Africa, no matter who forms a government with the ANC.

The problem we have now is that we all thinking Zuma is the king maker, but Zuma thinks he is the king. His seriously disappointed by his parties dismal performance, while we shocked/ surprised by its actual performance. Plus, like Trump, he is seriously motivated to stay out of jail. So head of state or friend as head of state is important to him.

Let's not confuse Madiba and Zuma, we had both, and we should know the difference.

Also we cant ignore 15% of our electorate who still believe Zuma is the answer for SA, but we can't also let a minority hold us hostage.

ANC-DA alliance would be pragmatic (for sustainability and peace), but it will influence the 'left' thats left in the ANC. But a large portion of the 'left' has already left the ANC.

On 2024-06-02 09:56:51 Lexington Steele said:


The NP made the exact same noise in 1994 before our first democratic elections. Saying the country would fall apart and become "just another African state". .

And that was specularly accurate! All the signs say we are there!

Btw, the "good" performance under Mandela/Mbeki was mostly the benefits from Apartheid infrastructure and a commodities boom.
As bad as the NP was, they left the country with world class infrastructure. For instance it took 15 years of no investment in Eskom before load shedding arrived.

On 2024-06-02 14:32:48 Vrik said:
On 2024-06-02 09:56:51 Lexington Steele said:

The NP made the exact same noise in 1994 before our first democratic elections. Saying the country would fall apart and become "just another African state". .

And that was specularly accurate! All the signs say we are there!

Btw, the "good" performance under Mandela/Mbeki was mostly the benefits from Apartheid infrastructure and a commodities boom.
As bad as the NP was, they left the country with world class infrastructure. For instance it took 15 years of no investment in Eskom before load shedding arrived.

LOL, more nonsense.

Why do you think democracy came about? Because the NP government and the white community suddenly had a change of heart and wanted to give black people a chance?

No... The NP government had no choice but to change, South Africa was going down the toilet because of international sanctions.

The ANC of 1994 inherited a completely broke South Africa, which was run into the ground and could not sustain itself economically anymore due to international sanctions. It was up to the ANC government of Mandela and Mbeki to rebuild the South African coffers and get the country trading with the international community again.

You can blame the ANC for messing it up again, but the first decade under Mandela and Mbeki got South Africa on a very good path, not perfect but really good to begin with.

You could take credit for De Klerk pushing through with the necessary changes, but dont pretend as though the ANC inherited a functioning state.

On 2024-06-02 14:54:19 Lexington Steele said:
On 2024-06-02 14:32:48 Vrik said: On 2024-06-02 09:56:51 Lexington Steele said:

The NP made the exact same noise in 1994 before our first democratic elections. Saying the country would fall apart and become "just another African state". .

And that was specularly accurate! All the signs say we are there!

Btw, the "good" performance under Mandela/Mbeki was mostly the benefits from Apartheid infrastructure and a commodities boom.
As bad as the NP was, they left the country with world class infrastructure. For instance it took 15 years of no investment in Eskom before load shedding arrived.

LOL, more nonsense.

Why do you think democracy came about? Because the NP government and the white community suddenly had a change of heart and wanted to give black people a chance?

No... The NP government had no choice but to change, South Africa was going down the toilet because of international sanctions.

The ANC of 1994 inherited a completely broke South Africa, which was run into the ground and could not sustain itself economically anymore due to international sanctions. It was up to the ANC government of Mandela and Mbeki to rebuild the South African coffers and get the country trading with the international community again.

You can blame the ANC for messing it up again, but the first decade under Mandela and Mbeki got South Africa on a very good path, not perfect but really good to begin with.

You could take credit for De Klerk pushing through with the necessary changes, but dont pretend as though the ANC inherited a functioning state.

And not only did they inherit a broke country, they then had to extend services from looking after 50 million people to 60 million now.

No wonder it has been difficult to maintain while other wealthier countries that appear successful have had to resort to privatisation to maintain services.

A few correction, had to extend services and infrastructure that was built for a handful of people to 50m growing to 60m; while maintaining the shit deals the previous government made with big business like mines and petroleum countries, whereby they basically gave them electricity for free, while still trying to give a little electricity for free to the poor masses.

Transformation was not an easy task.