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Posted: 2024-11-01 08:44:31

These sites must be held liable. I still insist all photographers for all these sites to ask for id for everyone. I know of a 41 year old who is actually close to 60 currently on this forum. All photographers should ask for id and advertisers should stop lying about their ages. It's despicable.
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Posted: 2024-11-01 09:00:40

On 2024-11-01 07:47:40 eziguy said:
The advertising platforms are jointly liable for their part in this. The moment a photoshoot was booked, the sites should have asked for proof of identification to ensure that advertisers are of legal age. The mother is an ex advertiser on ESA, one would think that a WG wouldn't want the same lifestyle for her kids but she was actively encouraging it. May they both rot in jail and if there's any justice, the owners of the red and blue sites as well.



On every possible social platform you WILL find scammers, behaviour that will make you sick to the core.

Your principle should apply to society on the whole who turns a blind eye to criminals and crime RIGHT UNDER THEIR NOSES...saying things like "its not my business to get involved ".


Selective acknowledgement of atrocities and blame and shame is....



Mmmmm.

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Posted: 2024-11-01 09:53:22

The owners and agents of those sites that allowed those adds should be held criminally liable in a court of law and should all if found guilty serve prison time.
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Posted: 2024-11-01 09:56:50

On 2024-11-01 09:53:22 StepRx said:
The owners and agents of those sites that allowed those adds should be held criminally liable in a court of law and should all if found guilty serve prison time.




Do scammers not also deserve to be found guilty and held liable?

Abetting extortion?

Crime is crime and the ripple affects are devastating.

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Posted: 2024-11-01 11:08:15

I highly doubt the girls themselves posed for photos for those adverts. Its more than likely that the mom did photoshoots and then sold/pimped her kids to people that contacted her on "her" adverts.

If the girls did actually pose for those adverts that will be on the photographer. ( owners/office/admin dont get to see the people in person and dont get to see the ids in person they rely on their photographers to do their jobs and to the right thing)

He/she will be guilty first of for not doing his job as he/she should have if his/her instuctions was to check IDs.

Or secondly much worse..

He/she willingly took photos of underage kids and decieved the site/office about their ages.

At the end of the day... the photographer would be the only one that was in a position to take or not take those photos.

No admin staff or owner could have known unless those photos where very obvioulsy shown them as little girls and telling just from a picture aint aleays possible.

I was watching some ballroom dacing competitions the other day and there was a girl that i presumed to be 17/18 atleast and she turned out to be a little thing of only 12.. all that make up and high heels and dresses that shows so much skin had me doing a double take when i read her age in the subtitles. And only then looking at her again did i see that she is actually a lot younger than i thought. It actaully made we wonder why people would want their kids to look that grown up at hat young age just for a dancing compitition.

As i said earlier they should go straight to jail no bail even they dont deserve the comfort of their own homes.. i do hope that the dude gets everything he deserves in jail times a million and somemore and the mom too.





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Posted: 2024-11-01 11:41:25

On 2024-11-01 09:56:50 Russian Bridgitte said:
On 2024-11-01 09:53:22 StepRx said: The owners and agents of those sites that allowed those adds should be held criminally liable in a court of law and should all if found guilty serve prison time.


Do scammers not also deserve to be found guilty and held liable?

Abetting extortion?

Crime is crime and the ripple affects are devastating.

RB.



He is not saying scammers shouldn't, but it's a valid observation, to what extent should and can the advertising sites be held liable should it be found that they were aware or were negligent in not doing proper due diligence if there were red flags. If the mom posed for pictures but then pumped out the kids it's a different story and that may be the case, but the article seems to suggest that the kids had adverts, we don't know for sure.

Also, pointing this case and incident out in relation to the industry in no way negates or denies that this happens every where else, GBV and particularly against young girls is rife in SA and no one is denying that.
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Posted: 2024-11-01 11:57:52
Edited: 2024-11-01 11:58:27

I'm not exactly sure what the vetting process is for advertising on these sites but it seems it needs to be more robust. This is also another reason why this line of work needs to be legalized asap. So we all don't have to tip toe around the law. The owners of the platforms can just straight up ask for a legal ID and get it officially verified for the purpose of advertising on these platforms without any linguistic gymnastics and throwing caution to the wind. The SPs can be afforded the proper legal protections. Everything can be a lot more plain and simple.
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Posted: 2024-11-01 11:58:42

Lowden

Perfectly said.

But then...hypothetical question. In this case.

How would YOU as a successful social site owner ensure ALL possible precautions are taken, only to find out there were warnings all the time and u missed them?

What excuse would you give foe that which actually is
NOT hypothetical at all....and maybe even happening on esa.



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Posted: 2024-11-01 12:03:24

This is not right. Selling kids to do this work. Even 21 is 2 young for this work. Sorry only my 5c on this. They must put that Mothers in jail and throw away the keys!
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Posted: 2024-11-01 12:22:57

On 2024-10-31 14:00:44 Russian Bridgitte said:
I am surprised

Because ones ID needs to be shown when photos taken on one of the sites.

Even if one looks NOTHING like a minor...maybe to check one is not an illegal too?....considering trafficking.

Must be a scam, a misrepresentation and then when in discussion who knows what gets offered and said.



ESA photographers are not innocent as well. Last year there was a wave of ladies on this site who were clearly under 21 the youngest at the time was 17, her ad is still active btw . The silver lining i guess is that they weren't being trafficked or pimped out they did all by themselves but it still doesn't make it right



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