It seems the system is a bit flawed for walk in customers. In this case clarity is paramount. Putting a portfolio of the ladies in front of you only to learn via a piece of paper that a select few will be available(one of them being Fire) albeit 3hrs later is disappointing if not disheartening, especially if it takes you more than a hours drive just to get there. What do I do there by myself while I'm waiting? Have a meal and a whole lot of drinks,'tongue dripping' while other guys disappear in and out with the fine ladies? I'll be suffering from whiskey dick and a dry mouth by the time I get to see a lady.

So I get it, booking in advance is probably the solution. I originally chalked down my experience due to this and it being my first time not knowing what to expect. However having read the original post and having a similar experience I am cautiously weary and will bide my time before planning another visit. I will call and inquire to the availability of one of the ladies i have my eyes on, hopefully she is available at the time and she sees coloured gentlemen. I can but only hope lol.

On 2016-08-12 11:17:50 blonderocks said:
Hi, as stated before use my feedback for your benefit, that was my experience and I just wanted to inform my fellow punters that's the treatment you can expect. So rather not waste your time and money and rather go to another place. I have been to Other venues in PTA east and treated like a man with money to splurge. If the establishment is happy with there status quo, that's there choice, just except the fact that you advertising to the public and accept the criticism by some of us that don't understand this racial divide. Fortunately for me, I am in a position to employ people and I definitely know who to avoid based on my experiences. Some things with just never change. Went to Sandton Playerz after wasting my time at HOE and was treated like a king.

I take cognizance of your initial posts and can conclude that the issue is not that you have a problem with r.o.a.r policy, but rather that you did not feel welcome as not a single lady (ones without such policy), and available at the time,
attempted to make conversation with you which could have lead to a subsequent booking? If I've got the cat by the balls,please correct me.

Eziguy, if I was the boss and I believed in my business and non discrimination, I would set the rules up front to all the ladies that work in my establishment, if you don't like it F off, and you will see these ladies change their ways. So yes I don't have an issue with ROAR because these ladies dont know better. The establishment should not hide behind the ladies ROAR policy and charge patrons R200 without even trying to accommodate them. Tell the ladies that are sitting alone picking thier noses to at least be hospitable, similar to the hospitality they offer to the fairer skinned patrons.

@Blonde. I understand your views and respect it as you do not seem vindictive in your posts, rather advice for 'would-be' visitors of colour to proceed with some degree of caution. Use it - don't use it, I get that.

Some of the other posts denotes condescending undertones.Lessons given on basic economics, others hammering on R.O.A.R. We are gents of colour, not of lesser brain capacity. The R.O.A.R issue is understood and although not liked, it is accepted and we have moved
on. Blonde felt unwelcome as even the ladies without such policy made no attempt to engage him during his visit which could have led to him booking a session. Girl makes money,venue makes money, client is satisfied...some more economics right there.

H.O.E. It is quite simple in my view then, make some fire under their arses when a client arrives. No need to have chit-chats amongst themselves like it's their weekly book club meeting. Lastly, IF the non-r.o.a.r ladies cater to any race except African gents,then that's okay too but make it clear when the client calls as in this case.

Safe punting all.

Ezi : Condescending undertones ? No, I was fairly blunt about it.

Not basic economics. Think Masters. Just broke it down for the non-economics readers.

Not in any way derogatory.

Unless you want to choose to read it that way, which is your choice, obviously.

Cheers

My guess is that there was no engagement by the non-ROAR ladies for fear of being ostracized by the mostly white clientele.

Hahaha so now because the ANC lost some votes we're suddenly picking on HOE and ROAR. I guess before elections it was okay to discriminate Lol. goodness this forum never ceases to amaze me.

I agree with eziguy, people here think we are of a substandard brain capacity so we are not capable of bringing up reasoned arguments. So if they differ from their opinions it MUST be wrong. That's why you get comments like 'stop this for fs'. Or 'I don't care what you say, HOE is amazing!'
I don't think anyone is disputing how amazing it is for you, but it might not be amazing for others and if that's the case we deserve to be warned about it.
And I also don't think anyone here wants to change HOE or the girls' race policy, no one quite frankly cares and I personally believe karma will sort out that kinda thinking in the long run.

What we would like to see though is it being stated (whether it be on a profile or as blonde did, in a review) that this is what is going on, just so we and the wg's don't waste our time or money. I honestly don't think it's too much to ask for.

i want to offer my services to ESA to amend the page to allow preference by race. As a darkie I want to know upfront that this particular wg or venue doesn't cater for people like me. I think this feature will be very useful to white/pink punters who dont want to be tainted by a wg who caters punters that looks like people usually seen doing your garden or that looks like their uneducated maid or those women cleaning their offices. People have a right not to be tainted. So I will do this for free.

Did you guys analysize their customer base? Did you guys analysize their revenue structure and cash flow? Did you guys analysize their human resource and organization? Did you guys analysize their expendings and dividends with the ladies? Did you guys analysize their management method and did you guys ever read their daily reports?

If not, how can you be sure that the post can affect their business? Is there any possibility that all the posts here were helping them to get more customer, more stunning ladies and more business? I can't help thinking that it is such a great marketing, a 'potential positive post'. So, be smiling. ;)

What might be the concerns for HOE and can help them improving the services? The first thing is reporting the bad services offered by the ladies. You can see if the ladies made mistakes, HOE can offer a free treatment to turn the negative view to positive. So HOE has handled this types of issues in a brilliant way. Secondly it's the punters like *FH who contributed three reviews a week to ESA community. The reviews from reliable punters can expose the ladies who worked alone, and distributed customers from HOE. So it seems like *FH was MIA. ;) Ha, This MIA really need to go back. They have so many yummy newbie ladies. The third way which might be the powerful way is making an accurate competition plan from the people who visited them often and knew how to analysize their business model. I used to visit them three times a week, and they called me regular. But don't even think about recruiting me to design the competition plan. So far I support HOE. ;)

Happy punting gentlemen.

*FH=Fire in her Hole

My kop draai nou soos n tol. Gaan sokker kyk en n paar biere drink en weer die ding kom lees. Miskien dan sal ek verstaan.

MK = Mal Koppie

LOL