On 2017-07-18 10:16:50 daporra said:

But if you offer GFE, then it is expected that kissing is part of the package, but top prize is to confirm prior. Obviously green teeth and dog breath will go against you!

I think the problem is that terms like GFE and PSE means different things to different people.
That is the problem with using a single abbreviation to describe your services. Imo it is best to do away with those abbreviations and to rather be explicit in listing what is and what is not on offer, including any or all preconditions, when a client calls to inquire. Ditto for clients, it is best to stop using those abbreviations when you inquire to make an appointment as your interpretation of GFE/PSE may differ from the lady's interpretation. Rather ask the lady upfront to give a full list of services that is on offer and to list any preconditions that she may have.

Every day there is so much kak going on ,on this ESA Forum !! But what can we do read it or leave it .. But one thing i must just add is ...If a SP agree on her service what she offers and you pay for it and she does not allow what she agreed on or advertised then surly you have the right to say ..bye bye and leave with out paying ,but then again don't ask for something she does not offer .It's your money till you are satisfied what you agreed on and that's how it works . ok so now i will wait for the response and opfok ..

I do concur with pantum!

On 2017-07-18 10:16:50 daporra said:


Obviously green teeth and dog breath will go against you!

Jirre my bro, I'm reminded of two WGs who used to be on ESA both of whom who had pages of great glowing reviews. I book and pitch up just to skrik myself binne in my moer when I notice the brown teeth!

So dental hygiene cuts both ways boss.

@master dick....sympathies chief...I'm with you on this one.
Lesson from this 'adventure'...if a specific service will make or break your punt, confirm with SP its offered before making appointment.
And its really not about respecting or disrespecting anyone, its simply about having a great punt bothways (pun intended)...lol...

Sjoe it's so sad how starved for love and affection, some of us are... myself included. Those kisses from total strangers they make you feel so special. For an hour or two you are at your most vulnerable, sharing intimate feelings and intense pleasures with someone you may never see again.

When you give so much of yourself I think there can be days when you feel emotionally drained and the thought of kissing someone you don't feel a chemistry with is just too much effort to fake.

For me the biggest issue is blurred boundaries. When seeing a lady, I tell her everything I want to the last bit. My wants are often very simple but specific. I also get ask what she does not do. Most times, there limits are not areas I veer close to, so no issues. I also don't like assumptions. I once had a lady who turned me down at the venue because I insisted in covered BJs and she would rather give OWO. She said she was uncomfortable with condoms in her mouth.
I have had clients offer a kiss and I refused as I share same view as yours but such awkward moments are better handled by addressing specifics on the phone. I rather have awkward phone conversations than awkward bookings. That is why I have no time for ladies who just want to give you a direction on the phone and nothing else. I want some interaction on the phone before coming over. I know there are time wasters but I am not one and I insist on it.
GFE is too broad a term.

On 2017-07-18 09:45:05 Sibyl said:
I never have and never will kiss clients. Personally I share yewrev's view that kissing is an uber intimate thing, more so than penetration and besides, I don't know where that mouth has been....

However, to each his own. I take my hat off to the ladies who do kiss all their clients, as I'm sure it can't be easy to do so for those ladies who also feel that kissing is something you only do with someone you are dating or are emotionally & sexually attracted to - I know it would have totally fucked my head up if I had to kiss clients.

Wrt to showing guys the door, yip I have done it quite a few times over the years for various reasons and I feel that if a lady did not explicitly tell you on the phone or in her advert that she kisses, then she has every right to tell you to leave, if you overstep her boundaries.

So to avoid such situations, always ask the lady upfront, before making an appointment, to list all the services that is included in the treatment.

A Bell's for this lady please!!

On 2017-07-18 10:26:14 Sibyl said:
On 2017-07-18 10:16:50 daporra said:
But if you offer GFE, then it is expected that kissing is part of the package, but top prize is to confirm prior. Obviously green teeth and dog breath will go against you!
I think the problem is that terms like GFE and PSE means different things to different people.
That is the problem with using a single abbreviation to describe your services. Imo it is best to do away with those abbreviations and to rather be explicit in listing what is and what is not on offer, including any or all preconditions, when a client calls to inquire. Ditto for clients, it is best to stop using those abbreviations when you inquire to make an appointment as your interpretation of GFE/PSE may differ from the lady's interpretation. Rather ask the lady upfront to give a full list of services that is on offer and to list any preconditions that she may have.

On 2017-07-18 10:26:14 Sibyl said:
On 2017-07-18 10:16:50 daporra said:
But if you offer GFE, then it is expected that kissing is part of the package, but top prize is to confirm prior. Obviously green teeth and dog breath will go against you!
I think the problem is that terms like GFE and PSE means different things to different people.
That is the problem with using a single abbreviation to describe your services. Imo it is best to do away with those abbreviations and to rather be explicit in listing what is and what is not on offer, including any or all preconditions, when a client calls to inquire. Ditto for clients, it is best to stop using those abbreviations when you inquire to make an appointment as your interpretation of GFE/PSE may differ from the lady's interpretation. Rather ask the lady upfront to give a full list of services that is on offer and to list any preconditions that she may have.

Agree!

The biggest problem with asking too many questions is that you may scare the wg off.
She might think you too full of crap cos you wanna do this or that.
Unfortunately it takes money and time to visit a girl a few times so she's comfortable with you then you can ask for naughty extras lol