On 2017-07-28 10:04:28 gary_g said:


I notice that Joy hasn't responded to my question as to what information Veronica was seeking on the Advertisers' Forum.

Are you being serious now? You want information from the advertisers forum??

You take this whole thing very personally gary g. Why?

Joy already gave information from the advertisers' forum, and made an averral as to what that request was not. Since the information that Veronica made a request for "certain info" is already out on the open forum, I don't see any harm in the content of that request being known.

I take very little personally, but this has to do with someone being banned for acting to protect us, and on the basis of an unconfirmed story.

When scammers are accorded any protection by this community, it is one small step towards another news article about a punter found dead, stuffed in the boot of his car. www.enca.com/south-africa/grim-details-monte-murder

If someone is willing to, by what is inferred, blackmail someone in our community for R60,000, I think they deserved nothing but silence as a response when they wrote to ESA management.

As it happens, I believe Shakira's account of events, which makes her banning even more shocking, but even if I didn't, a slap on the wrist is, to my mind, the correct response to protecting punters, if any action at all needed to be taken.

Well...I think the ONLY one's who can help you is ESA. Sort it out whith them. Not sure what you want from this forum? If ESA dont want to give you a reason for any of their decisions...there is probably a reason for that.

On 2017-07-28 10:37:17 gary_g said:
Joy already gave information from the advertisers' forum, and made an averral as to what that request was not. Since the information that Veronica made a request for "certain info" is already out on the open forum, I don't see any harm in the content of that request being known.

I SAID

"Veronica only asked for certain info on the girls form to protect her client legally. She was not interested in Sharon's whereabouts in terms off a hit as mentioned on Sheron's e-mail




.

What information exactly??????? Maybe you should read Gary_g. I never gave out any information as to what was written on the Ladies Forum.

I only tried to give Veronica's side to the story as I know it.

Please leave me out of this. If you really want Shakira so badly unbanned......sort it out with the BOSS Eddie.

Lovies
Joy

@Joy Yes, I read. You said "certain info on the girls [advertisers] form [sic]". My question is what info? It is relevant, IMHO. You talked about what Veronica posted on the advertisers' forum, end of story. You can certainly give an idea of what info would protect the legal rights of the client concerned without compromising the sanctity of the advertisers' forum, IMHO.

Now as for giving Veronica's side of the story, you gave a partial account (and with such pains being taken to deny that Veronica asked for Sharon's whereabouts that I am beginning to think that is exactly what was asked for), and then proceeded to offer a great deal of speculation as to why Shakira should be banned. Since your opinion is that it should be sorted out with Eddie, perhaps it was wrong of you to offer that speculation? Perhaps even a little apology is due, maybe?

As to Veronica's forum and messaging banning, I am beginning to think as well that it has everything to do with the message from Sharon, and that is too bad, because I absolutely support doing everything to clear out scammers from ESA, and to make the risk of scamming too great for anyone to consider undertaking it with the clients here. The timing is too coincidental, and Orpheus' comments above apply. But just my thought...

@ DIRECTORSSS I attempted to sort it out with ESA in private, and even offered a win/win at my expense to ease the way, and was given short and rude responses by Antionette. When and if the video becomes available, I'll try again in private.

From the forum, it would be nice to see people comment on whether they think the banning of Shakira was justified, which at this point seems to be based on the unsubstantiated message from Sharon the banned scammer, and a supposed "history" with Shakira (which included charges of racism, which is rich given the roasting she got from some on the forum for doing doubles with a non-white partner).

That support for Shakira is also, perhaps, also a little nudge to ESA to also put the punters' interests a bit higher. When the whole thread with Sharon came out, a poster asked, "Which Sharon" and never received a response from ESA. It used to be scammers were immortalized in the picture gallery, which has been useful to me on more than one occasion.

And I was shocked that after admitting to leaving with a clients' money, Stacey was allowed to continue to advertise here until she left for Australia (if she actually did).

PLEASE NOTE NOTHING TO DO WITH CURRENT STACEY ADVERTS!!!

As Antionette put it to me, "You are not an advertiser..(p)lease do not contact me any further regarding this matter." I think this is symptomatic of a drift away from looking after the people who book the advertisers here, and it is a little disturbing. I would never address a client/customer like that.

As OralJim put it:

"And for the record, it is *NOT* just an escort site. It's an escort AND punter's site. Punters wouldn't exist without escorts and escorts wouldn't exist without punters. Nice little symbiotic relationship but also the reason why I don't buy into any argument that tries to imply that punters are more important than escorts or vice versa. Two sides of the same coin."

I feel the same. I think the balance may be a bit off at the moment.

gary_g, I don't need to explain jack shit to you. If you want to know what was written on the ladie's forum, contact ESA directly.

Why keep pushing me for answers, when I had nothing to do with this whole ordeal! I was only trying to explain Veronica's side, as she is a good friend of mine, works with me and has no voice on the forum to explain her side of the story.

As to your speculations that she has been banned from posting because of Sharon's e-mail......you are very wrong! The only reason she was banned is due to complaints for some of the replies and remarks she made on some of the treads on the public forum....

So again, my advice to you, dear Sir, is to contact ESA directly for further information.

@gary_g, I'm of the opinion that ESA's core customers are indeed the advertisers. The Goldmember revenue stream is just a by product.

Many a WG has mentioned that the bulk of their clients are not even aware of the forum or don't give a shit about it. Hence, why would ESA give a shit if punters leave the forum or not? As I see it, ESA is only an advertising vehicle.

Oraljim's argument I disagree with. Simply becoz this is the oldest industry in the world. Advertising platforms or not, the world will *always* have punters and WGs.

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On 2017-07-28 12:27:28 frankstar said:
Joy. Jy is so sexy wanneer by so skel. My piepie trek dinner styf hier in my vergadering.

frankstar Darling, don't you mean "donners" styf.