On 2017-10-31 02:39:05 oraljim said:
Do you know what happens after you've been offended? NOTHING. Absolutely NOTHING happens to you. Real adults realise that being offended is part of life and we move on. It's got nothing to do with privilege at all, and everything to do with having a spine and being able to survive in a world where not everyone thinks or speaks the same way you do.

Your absolutely right, because nothing effects you other than physical pain right. So if a close family dies, it doesn't matter because nothing has happened to you. Your self-confidence as a human being is 'never' impacted by what people around you say and do. Hahaha okay mate, if you say so.

The right to free speech and freedom of expression is not unlimited, you don't have to feel or think or even agree with someone, But as a society we have set a standard for social interaction with that person. No hate speech, no incitement of violence etc.
Now in the purple world they have set their standard of what is appropriate. I certainly do not agree with everything they deem appropriate but I can understand them wanting to protect another human being from being needlessly bashed by some anonymous asshole. Your rights are not being taken away they're being limited... limited to cater for the another's RIGHT to a modicum of dignity. Honestly if you can't tell the difference between an honest assessment of a situation or a personal attack on someone, that smacks of a person who has always been in a position of privilege.

If I may just throw something in here please?

While the whole review thing is discussed, I personally feel the "Face" and "Body" ratings on the SP's should be taken away from the review options. I find it to be extremely derogatory towards women as every punter has different taste. A lady can maybe still work on her body but her face is her face. And even on the body different guys have different preferences.

These ladies are not cattle on an auction and to me it feels that way when I look at the ratings on those two aspects. There is an option that asks if the SP looked like her photos, surely that is enough to state Yes or No? That is why ESA updates the photos regularly isn't it?

If a punter reads the review surely he can ask the reviewer via PM what her face looks like if she did not show it in the photos?

I find that a lot of times those two options are used to hurt a SP if a punter was not happy about something. Then on the other hand there are punters that admitted on the forum they always give 5's for body and face, no matter what he really thinks. What is the point in this?

This is my 2c only please.

#faceandbodyratingsmustfall

GK

I agree with your above statement entirely. All entirely on perspective.

If I may interject and say that those ratings can be removed and be replaced with hygiene as a rating.

Still lads my suggestion would be when writing a review just be a gentleman about whatever steller or horrible service you may or may not have recieved.

"We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorns have roses."
Alphonse Karr

I agree whole-heartedly with oraljim in his criticism of a very poorly thought out and seemingly emotional and short-sighted post by ESA's, Antionette.
And then to threaten punters, both newish or long-standing with banning for not conforming or telling them they can p!ss off if they don't like it, is just not on and damn right disrespectful.
The no. 1 rule here is "respect" and any interaction by SP or punter, here on the forum, in bed, on the phone or on the plinth should conform to the meaning of that word and values.
In my opinion, her post would have served a purpose if she stuck to the title, "when to review and when to comment" in explaining (what most think is obvious), that you can only review if you physically visit the SP. Then remind all and sundry (punters,SP's and posters) that the key is respect. But to treat punters as illiterates and buffoons and not as individuals and to try and prescribe to them in the manner that she did, is disrespectful in itself.

Clients often use face, body and even personal hygiene ratings, to belittle ladies / settle a score and quite frankly I agree with GK, it is extremely degrading to me as a woman, to be rated on the above mentioned.

My personal opinion is that only the following should be rated on OR else just change the title of the rating field and it will go a long way in making the ratings less degrading imo.

1. Service
2. Personality

I advertise on another website where ratings are done for the following:
1. Parking
2. Facilities
3. Therapist Presentable (on ESA imo this can be replaced with Lady Presentable)
4. Bedside Manner (on ESA imo this can be replaced with Personality)
5. Massage (on ESA imo this can be replaced with Service)
6. Overall Impression

I actually read an article recently, where there was a major petition to ban such ratings on a particular well known Escort website in UK, due to the degrading nature of such ratings.

Imo if the client absolutely has to comment on personal hygiene, face and body, then he can do so in the descriptive text of his review.

On 2017-10-31 07:02:30 Fboy said:
Your absolutely right, because nothing effects you other than physical pain right. So if a close family dies, it doesn't matter because nothing has happened to you.

You are absolutely right, I never thought of that. There is absolutely no difference whatsoever between a random person on the internet saying something that offends you and a close family member dying. The two are exactly equivalent - how stupid of me and my privilege not to see that. Thank you for educating me.

Dear ladies and gentlemen,

oraljim has been banned for causing discord among the ESA community

Regards
Antionette
ESA

Now that escalated quickly.

Surely you jest.

"Oraljim has been banned for causing discord among the Esa community"!

The whole idea of the forum is to have discordant views.

Oraljim did not use vulgar language nor did he insult anyone.
Think you ,Antoinette , need a chill pill .
Maybe book a relaxing massage?

Just my two cents :)

Yeah in my mind this is censorship and I don't agree with it either.

Ban me if you like but you are way out of line here.

I really dislike how rule one of respect doesn't apply to people who don't agree with you. Respect goes two ways.