@ Ben, we mentioned it many moons ago, in a discussion I had with Kraatos regarding India. Due the business I'm in and the manufacturing facilities I had to set up I ended up frequently traveling to India. I agree 100% that we are as fucked as Zimbabwe and Uganda. The whites are fucked. So are the Indians (google Mzibuye African Forum and their sentiments regarding forcefully taking the wealth and property of Indians in SA.)

Nevertheless, my India business "partner" (of sorts) is one of the most brilliant engineers I've ever met, and we frequently have lenghty conversations on a number of topics. India is an interesting country and its amazing how it developed over the years, and one thing that strikes me about India - the work ethic. We can only dream that the gimme-gimme-gimme generations of South Africa were the caliber of the students of India. Heavy emphasis on maths and science. Thousands of engineering, IT, and Computer Science students. The engineering innovation, development and science happening in India has to be seen to be believed. I thought I was an expert in TOC management, until I was shown a thing or two over there.

As an aside, guess which immigrants (most probably illegal) are hated most in Goa? Nigerians. Why? Drugs & prostitution rings. Go figure.