Well stated Longjon. That is exactly what us wg's refer to as wankers.

Hi All

What started out as a post for people to see what can happen and to avoid things like this happening to them has turned into a people bashing thread.Posters need to realize that for everything you say ,there are people that are going to agree with you and people that are not.

Some of the posts I have read in this thread and others I have totally agreed with and others I have read I have thought to myself that the person who posted that has only opened their mouth to change feet.That is the nature of the beast , an open forum. YOU TAKE PART AT YOUR OWN RISK AND IF WHAT YOU SAY WINS YOU FANS OR COSTS YOU THEM, THAT IS THE RISK YOU TOOK.

What is also posted in the private ladies forum is also not that private and girls who are part of that forum , when personally knowing people that are being falsely discredited , do actually let them know.

To Ahrwen who said
1. How does one book a allnighter with somebody that only works till 6?

Answer:As a wg have you never accepted a request outside of your hours?, So the girls at venues who work to 6pm or 8pm and then leave cannot supplement their earnings by taking or having an all night booking,some will if the month has been quiet others wont.....who know why my request for a braai and then an all night was accepted.

2. How do you arrive at a clients place before he tells you you can leave?
Answer: Your guess is as good as mine as to how this happened , by all means contact Jesse and ask her who told her to show up at 1PM , I sure as hell never did.

3.no body mentioned an agreement about all nighter fees. Only a hourly rate (neither of the 2 parties had clarity.

The pta lady was made an offer for the braai and all night booking with me, she agreed to the fee,did she agree because she was dying for some nice company and a good braai and the money was a bonus , was it to have a different evening than her normal routine,who knows did she do it for more than she normally charges or much less, my point is a request was made and both ladies accepted the same offer for that request.(I would also never pay one lady more than the other)
Jesse is so confused she was talking about an sms that was sent to me on the 7th March qouting her hourly rate which had nothing to do with the braai and all night booking.

4. If the booking is for 6 why did the punter even leave work in the first place he should have just said come back at the arranged time. If he had done so in the first place the lady would have realized there was a mistake and would have said but I can't do after 6 she may have been peed off but it would teach her to confirm bookings properly and she will double check with the next client she makes such a agreement.

Answer : I left work as I am my own boss and can come and go as I please,also out of respect for the lady concerned, she sent me a message to say she had arrived , and as some of you have suggested that I should have told her to leave and come back later , how then would the vibe for the evening have been.What you would have said and done is exactly that ,your choice , mine was to accommodate her mistake and work around it , the idea being she could drive with me to go fetch the other lady from Pta, who when was asked about the all night booking immediately said she had no car, that is why I offered to fetch her.

To Meg who said En hytbnie eerw haar vergoed vir vervoer of die tyd wat sy gemis het nie? Regtig. I wouldnt have paid a cancellation fee, because the mistake was mine. But getting there? The transport dont drive on sunlight..... just my 2c worth.

So Meg you think that she should have been paid for the time she missed and her transport that dont drive on Sunlight ,Regtig to You all I have to say is read the post properly, I offered to fetch her so there would be no transport cost incurred by her , she declined the offer and said she wanted to come in her own car.What she never told me is that that car included a Trouble making extra attachment we shall call the "driver" and to those that posted that said they hate it when girls get dropped off by boyfriends/ husbands and hangers on , you are absolutely right I hate it too , and as posted he was an unexpected surprise.As for time wasted she pitched up early and unexpected ,I gave her the option of going and coming back later but she said she would wait, another reason I left work as she wanted to wait, and you think she needed to be compensated for that. Interesting, maybe with that point of view , people now think you expect the same so maybe that is why you have lost some fans.

I see the Hans bashing has begun on a thread that has nothing to do with him....some posters really get side tracked easily , and onto wankers as well.

To jimbo whatever who called me an idiot , you are entitled to your opinion.

To those that are clever and would never make rookie mistakes , guess what my regulars were not able to make it , they were my first calls but busy so what happened plan B and c which as you all know ended as it did.
I was trying to set up something I don't normally do for a friend visiting from out of town, and went on good reviews, my bad.

Esa looks after wg and punters alike , and wont tolerate unwarranted threats from either.(LEARN FROM THIS)

To the girls who have boyfriends husbands or hangers on involved in your business ,that will be to your detriment and to the punters ,things planned with the best of intentions can go wrong.

I have posted so has Jesse and others have also had their say so this post can quietly fade away as it is getting side tracked and people bashing was never the point.Let it end now.

Dor, you handled this like a gentleman and personally don't think you need to say anything more.

On 2016-03-18 08:25:43 Arhwen said:

Clearly he has realised it's a mis communication/understanding and moved on why can't the rest of you.

Now if I look at it from a ousiders point of view taking the following statements into consideration there was definitely mis understanding.

1. How does one book a allnighter with somebody that only works till 6?

2. How do you arrive at a clients place before he tells you you can leave?

3.no body mentioned an agreement about all nighter fees. Only a hourly rate (neither of the 2 parties had clarity.

4. If the booking is for 6 why did the punter even leave work in the first place he should have just said come back at the arranged time. If he had done so in the first place the lady would have realized there was a mistake and would have said but I can't do after 6 she may have been peed off but it would teach her to confirm bookings properly and she will double check with the next client she makes such a agreement.

Let's just say there a lesson for both parties to learn here.

I would have to agree with clover you did not need to respond. Besides you where missing the point I put it down to miscommunication if you read my quoted text properly.

But now there is a bit of a contradiction here after your last post first you said ESA told you about the thread and now it's the ladies.

Which is it this here is serious stuff as stuff in there should not be shared for the ladies safty and ESA should deal with it to many ladies have been targeted for what ever reason raped robbed murdered etc... We need to know it's not because some snitch 131tc1-1 that these incidents occured and not saying you would do something to Jess but this is a risky business.


@ longjon spon on.

#smiling and waving as I exit the room# :)

Thanks for sharing dor. Your post and intention are clear to see to anyone without an agenda.

Pray Jesse, why did you move from Northcliff to Northriding ?

On 2016-03-18 07:38:39 Minime007 said:
@Jimbo....thats the problem...Jesse has very good reviews.... not a untested hooker really.

On 2016-03-18 08:42:17 Mujahid001 said:

Jimbo is 100% right. I dont give a shit if a WG has 60 pages of great reviews. If I myself have not booked her previously, I would not chance inviting her to my house!

Yeah I meant untested by the punter in question, not by the forum.

On 17/3, Erin of ESA said,
"This is becoming a matter of he said she said."
"I can confirm sms confirmation has been viewed and this matter must be settled diplomatically."
In dor's opening post he said,
"I called a lady in Pta first to book her for myself.We discussed and agreed to the fee , I then called Jesse to ask her if she was interested to do a booking with my friend and an all night booking after sitting around a fire and having a braai Tues evening.She said she was happy to do the booking and for the same as the lady I booked from Pta.Both ladies were advised of each others names and were happy to do the evening braai / overnight booking."
As the 2 ladies (Jesse and Pta lady) were made aware of each, each other's names and were both "happy to do the evening braai/overnight booking", would it not be sage to hear from the Pta lady so that she can confirm (or otherwise) that this arrangement was made and that they were both aware that it was a "braai/overnight" booking ?
Having said that, it appears that dor's big concern is that he was threatened by Jesse's "driver", who even threatened to bring in his heavies and that they know where he lives.
ESA adds,
"We at ESA do not take kindly to anyone being threatened."
From my understanding, the "driver" demanded full her payment (not just his "driver's" fee as another poster alluded to). It appears he was "looking after" more than just "his end" of the "business"). The question that has to be answered is, could he have made that demand for her full payment on his own accord without the authorization or consent from the WG ? He is just the "driver" after all !
From what I understand, dor's big concern is that the driver, "he start(s) making threats and calling "his connections" giving them my home address and telling them to come sort me out for not paying."
That is serious stuff and cant be negated or watered down by statements like "if you have worked as a wg for a while and know what we put up with".... While any right-minded punter feels for the shit the WG has to put up with and condemns it fully, it cant be used to deflect from a punter of 10 year's standing's concerns about his safety at his own home.
Whether this was just a misunderstanding or otherwise, I believe that dor needs to be assured that his safety is secure and that he and Jesse can move on.

On 2016-03-19 10:59:14 honeybear said:
concerns about his safety at his own home.

If he's that concerned, he should *never* have hookers visit his home in the first place, even if he insisted on fetching them himself.

Jimbo, I have invited wg(s) to my home on a few occasions and never had concerns about my safety at my own house.