lol @ Naledi

This is ESA's take on this ROAR issue :

Posted: 2015-08-06 16:46:36

"It means that they do not have to justify not allowing entrance to any one for any reason.

The visit from the punter takes place on private property and you (as the owner or tenant) can determine who enters and who doesn't.

Simple as that.

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ESA SUPPORT"

It would be advisable for persons on both ends of the divide to read that and digest before posting on ROAR issues.

@Honeybear

You cite ESA's view on the issue as if ESA's view is canonical. ESA changes all the time, and we do have the ability to opine, so long as we are mature and even. Thus citing ESA here can all but extend a policy and a premise, but it actually means nothing in furthering the conversation here.

As to the rest of participants:

The problem with ROAR is not whether people are entitled to use it or not. Or whether people have the right to select who they rub genitals with.
The real issue remains that those who are racist are using the vagueness of the definition to not own up to their views/stances.

Just be out and say it: I am a racist. I do whites only. Stop using vague phrases like, "culture", "behaviour" "demeanor" and outright equating well-behaved, civil, mature, and whatever else to whiteness. That is the part that always causes discontent.

For those who then say, "black women also discriminate against black punters, therefore it is not racist..."
Well, actually, it is. Racist agency is, ironically, colour blind. Meet Stephen from Django Unchained. Closer to home, meet the many black officials who consciously perpetuated Apartheid. The fact that black racist agency is not a common discussion issue in mainstream media does not diminish its existence nor gravity. It does not indemnify or diminish similar forms of racism neither.

To the view that "it's all been spoken to death, move on already. Just knock next door. Stop insisting on change!"
Well, no. I personally advocate for rights of those society typically feels it doesn't have to shift an inch to accommodate. This is a fundamentally flawed premise of argument as it assumes that change happens through sheer ignorance. I will speak out against this kind of discrimination ad nauseam.

The truth is nobody wants to call, time spared, hard-earned money in pocket, fantasies in mind, only to be rejected cos, well, they're not white. It's not right. Especially when the reasons behind such is linked to stereotypical prejudicial, mostly negative assumptions. As the WG's themselves are the first to throw out the argument, "it's very personal," this experience is very personal to the punter too. Hence it is contentious.
Hence the discriminated punters insist on the spade being called a spade, and not "general gardening tool."
Punters have come on this forum complaining about how disrespectful, offensive and upsetting when WG's waste their time with booking shenanigans. And yet when this waste is caused by WG's ROAR, somehow, this is just chalked down as "get over it!" It isn't easy when she misses one corner in her directions, but it is just one of those things when it's racism? Oh please!

Likewise WG's come here, and complain about several things: Punters who are unhygienic, those who haggle for fees, those who aren't punctual, are intoxicated are rude, etc. But when the topic of ROAR is raised, ALL these issues are thrown thereunder, as "that's why I listen to the accent and observe the skin colour". See that right there? Each subject warrants its indivudual discrete discussion. And when that happens, it doesn't get all charged up because somehow in such a context, it is understood that all races are guilty as charged. And yet when it comes to ROAR, All those issues are bundled in a set, and without fail and indiscriminately, associateed with blackness.

Right there is the BullShip that we are advocating against when we complain agains this ROAR.

Those who are racist, should simply own up to their racism, and stop hiding behind the institution that is ESA policies, or some vaguely stated whatever.
As Kevin said elsewhere, IT IS IMPLIED BY BEING ON ESA THAT THE RIGHT OF ADMISSION IS RESERVED. That is the foundational function of ESA. That's one of the things that differentiate ESA from other sites. Stating ROAR explicitly in your profile is generally understood to imply something else: No people of colour are allowed. All I am saying is, WG's who put ROAR up must own their racism, and so should the punters who support them. Nothing more.

TomShoes and others, you fellas are just waisting your time on this issue. The obfuscation of the underlying issue will continue. It's not until one has walked in someone else's shoes will they truly feel what discrimination means. The entitlement to certain priviledges based on skin colour continues post apartheid yet you hear people talking about self entitlement, chip on your shoulder etc...pot calling the kettle black.
The punters excluded from this Race based ROAR (not the ROAR usually qouted that's protected by the Constitution) must have some dignity and quit crying like little babies over this prejudice and furthermore quit chasing a PITY FUCK - there's nothing more demeaning and disgusting eg that wg who posted about clients in that venue/area being predominantly X therefore she'll now see them as she has relaxed her whites only ROAR. Plenty went for the money-driven pity fuck from her. What a damn shame. Have some dignity people and support wgs who see everyone as a human being first.

1.WRT to black WGs with ROAR, 90% of the time its a big fat lie. Especially the ones in the north of Johannesburg, they say this to please some people, so they can come here and use it as an example to justify this weird reasoning.

I once went to an out booking to a white punters house, he's friend brought Another wg. Then this black vs white topic came up and we were asked what about clientele ratio like. The other working girl said most of her clients are white and the punters were shocked when I said 75% of my clients are black. Then Indian and here and there its white. I can go on for 2 weeks without seeing a white guy. Both punters said its the 1st time they hear this.
My client even said he's surprised that I see a lot of black clients because he only sees black WGs and I charge more than most black WGs in centurion...*oh well*

Majority of the black punters don't read the forum, They don't even know what the +71 on my profile means so roar means nothing to them.

Its a known fact that a lot of politians, soccer players etc, ask a less known friend to organize wgs. So there's no way a black WG with ROAR on their profile will say no to a guy calling "on behalf of his friend for a few hours at Balalaika". Yes they do mention that the booking is for someone else.

2. If I was a working girl in my home town. I'd also have a roar policy. Not because I'm racist but because if I see a black guy there's a chance he knows my uncle or he works with my neighbor etc.
Others have lied to their boyfriends that they've quit the business and seeing non black punters eliminates "a friend being sent to book you" in an event that said boyfriend spots your naked self on this site.

It doesn't make sense that a black WG can have the same reasons for not seeing black punters as the white WGs.
And I stand by my words when I say this: There's no black wg who's never slept with a black man before. Even the ones who say they only date white. Some of them left navy blue kids like me, back home and they start saying whites only when they land at ORTIA.

Maybe the black WGs of 2065, who will say they don't have relatives in the townships and they've ever set foot in a rural area before.

@TomShoes, solo utse utongilandza ngitoba'mamncane wakwakho

On 2015-08-15 23:22:36 Amber Jade said:
Lol Ash ,that's a lot of alter egos...are you wanted for something..do u wear wigs and fake mastages?

No wigs even tho i need one soon and i dont like facial hair even tho its a sunnah.

I think with you i used like 2 different names but you never gave a shit. It was awkward when you worked with Phoenix Girl becoz she knows me under another name. Just me but I'll never use my real name ever again with any wg. Only one wg at the Harem knows it, one Pretoria wg knows and Siann knew it.

Much better havin separate cheapo phone with separate network sim just for punting.

Well said Rockwilder. I hope the non-white punters take your advice and take the dignified walk away. Leave the Uncle Toms to their pity fucks.

The ROAR advocates won't comprehend your point though. A fundamental truism of racism is that it's the refuge of the simple-minded in trying to make sense of a complex world.

On 2015-08-16 14:38:23 Naledi said:
1.WRT to black WGs with ROAR, 90% of the time its a big fat lie. Especially the ones in the north of Johannesburg, they say this to please some people, so they can come here and use it as an example to justify this weird reasoning.

I once went to an out booking to a white punters house, he's friend brought Another wg. Then this black vs white topic came up and we were asked what about clientele ratio like. The other working girl said most of her clients are white and the punters were shocked when I said 75% of my clients are black. Then Indian and here and there its white. I can go on for 2 weeks without seeing a white guy. Both punters said its the 1st time they hear this.
My client even said he's surprised that I see a lot of black clients because he only sees black WGs and I charge more than most black WGs in centurion...*oh well*

Majority of the black punters don't read the forum, They don't even know what the +71 on my profile means so roar means nothing to them.

Its a known fact that a lot of politians, soccer players etc, ask a less known friend to organize wgs. So there's no way a black WG with ROAR on their profile will say no to a guy calling "on behalf of his friend for a few hours at Balalaika". Yes they do mention that the booking is for someone else.

2. If I was a working girl in my home town. I'd also have a roar policy. Not because I'm racist but because if I see a black guy there's a chance he knows my uncle or he works with my neighbor etc.
Others have lied to their boyfriends that they've quit the business and seeing non black punters eliminates "a friend being sent to book you" in an event that said boyfriend spots your naked self on this site.

It doesn't make sense that a black WG can have the same reasons for not seeing black punters as the white WGs.
And I stand by my words when I say this: There's no black wg who's never slept with a black man before. Even the ones who say they only date white. Some of them left navy blue kids like me, back home and they start saying whites only when they land at ORTIA.

Maybe the black WGs of 2065, who will say they don't have relatives in the townships and they've ever set foot in a rural area before.

@TomShoes, solo utse utongilandza ngitoba'mamncane wakwakho

@Naledi

With all due respect to you, at what stage did the black working girls north of Johannesburg give you the mandate to represent them and talk on their behalf ?

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ESA SUPPORT

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Naledi's post are Naledi's views yet they are questioned. Mmm interesting.

@ Myname

FYI Sir

Several advertisers have complained noting that Naledi does not speak for them, so thus my comment.

No insult to Naledi intended nor do I believe taken by her. She is an articulate intelligent woman who is most capable of defend herself if required.

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