There will be as many view points and opinions on this subject as there are punters and service providers. To further expand the issue would be to bring in the reasons why specific punters punt and why specific service providers provide their specific service, whether WG or MG.

Punters must ask questions regarding extend of GFE experience upfront and SP's must state their rules and boundaries upfront. During the session itself, if the chemistry is right, then the sparks can fly! If there is no chemistry at all, so be it an let it be a mechanical experience and move on!

Once you have found your match....lots of school fees and trial and error in between....,appreciate her and become a regular.

FH is when the lady allow penetration, anything without penetration I do see as part of the massage portfolio.

I am also of the opinion that you can hsve a gfe without penetration.

Based on wikipedia GFE is a common term for a sexual encounter in which both the lady snd punter are willing to engage in reiciprocal sexual pleasure and some degree of intimacy. The GFE generally involves more personal interaction than a traditional WG offers; it varies widely from person to person, however there is a focus on not just having sex, but more of a comprehensive experience.

Erotic or sensuous massge ( no sensual massage in wikipedia) is the use of massage techniques by a person on another person's erogenous zones to achieve or enhance their sexual excitation or arousal and to achieve orgasm. In case of women, the focal area are the breasts and pubis, while in case of men , the focal area is the male genitals. It takes many forms, from massage techniques that aim to integrate the sexual, spititual and physical, to massage whose purpose is the achievement of orgasm through a handjob, oral sex or fh.

So after all this my understanding is you can have a sensual/ sexual massage with gfe. The main difference is whether the vagina is penetrated or not with the penis.

I must agree with the ladies, I have no fucking idea how you can expect gfe with a massage lady!!!

A mg that offers extras like kissing and bj and etc then is really an individual case and we shouldn't expect that as the norm, me thinks.

Ok...all good and well...but can anyone explain to me how one does GFE on a plinth? How can one cuddle on a plinth? I can only see some disasters happening, like a plinth toppeling over and even worse, breaking, as some massage beds and plinths can only handle a certain amount of weight....lol!

If mg decide to do kissing what I see as girlfriend experience let her do her thing. Each offer a different tipe of massage, girlfriend experience doesnt mean penetration is involved. Sensual is sensual and how she plays you with her sensual power touch...
O nice teeth fire so by the way...

Lol!! Lady Arya, love your analytical and technical approach to a potential real life situation where things can heat up on the massage plinth!

That is perhaps why I have noticed a bed in the corner of some MG private venues!

On 2018-01-15 15:18:00 daporra said:
I must agree with the ladies, I have no fucking idea how you can expect gfe with a massage lady!!!

A mg that offers extras like kissing and bj and etc then is really an individual case and we shouldn't expect that as the norm, me thinks.

Thank you dear xxx (virtual kisses ;p)

On 2018-01-15 15:18:00 daporra said:
I must agree with the ladies, I have no fucking idea how you can expect gfe with a massage lady!!!

A mg that offers extras like kissing and bj and etc then is really an individual case and we shouldn't expect that as the norm, me thinks.

Agree with you and communicate your expectations when booking a mg !!!

Mxxx Said: "I do not quite understand why there is this expectation that a MG sticks to "massage only" with maybe a "happy ending" which apparently will happen without a natural progress to the ending during the booking!?"

Sibyl: A "happy ending" can indeed take place without kissing and cuddling. I do not offer kissing or a "GFE", never have before and never will, yet my clients are happy enough with my service, to visit again and again.

Mxxx Said: "MGs are afterall advertising on ESA - not some professional massage website!?"

Sibyl: I share your sentiment in this regard. This is an adult website and as such in this purple world a mg is no better than a wg and IMHO to each her own wrt to what services or type of "happy ending" is on offer or not, regardless if the provider is advertising as a mg or a wg. Additionally, imo a mg should try not to get upset if a client asks if certain services are on offer, because by the very nature of the adult industry, it is to be expected that sometimes you will have to field such questions, when you advertise on an adult website.

However the fact that this is an adult website, does not automatically mean that the same services or "happy ending" is/should be provided by all massage providers nor does it necessarily mean that all massage providers offer a "happy ending" (some don't) - we are all individuals, with different preferences in terms of what services we feel comfortable to offer and in terms of what business model works for us or not. Therefore it is advisable that the client makes a point of always asking upfront what is on offer and what is not on offer, in order to avoid any misunderstandings and/or disappointments.

I had it all wrong all these years. I only see MG's that do not offer GFE as previous experience had me under the impression the GFE was the phone calls and messages I got afterwards asking to borrow money.

All jokes aside, I have visited a few MG's in my time that provided everything a GF would but stopping short of penetration. It is really hard stopping at the gates of heaven. I think there should be a new term for MG GFE, maybe someghing like MP(mutual play).