Massage and hand relief no longer gets the massage girls by anymore exclusively.

Miss V you have nailed it on the head, just like a lapdance in the stripclub is not enough.

On 2017-06-11 16:02:15 Montoya said:

Leads to bigger tips, greater treats etc.

Why bother with a big tip when you can give them the whole thing? [Sorry, couldn't resist]

Veronica, I tend to agree with you. The blurring of the lines makes it difficult. I recently went for a massage with an outfit that advertises here. There were no extras. I didn't want any, but I still wasn't sure what would happen whilst I lay there naked. This is an error of marketing.

If you're into the massage business only, I don't think this is the place to promote your business. If it's adult focussed, and massage only (in other words you provide a happy ending), then don't be offended when punters push for FH. Personally, this is a very poor strategy because you're neither fish nor foul. You're stuck in the middle and are unlikely to satisfy either end of the spectrum.

Be clear about what service you offer and build your clientele accordingly.

I'm strictly MG and I'm clear about this to everyone before they arrive to avoid issues.

I think mg's offer extra to get clients.
Most calls ask for extra.

I have had moments where my client is irresistible and I go with the flow.

Getting angry about the label is just dumb.

We all offer nude services and we get touched aswell.

So basically we are All WG.

Just my opinion

Back on my white horse Fleur.

I find this a little more than offensive.

Veronica : "Massage and hand relief no longer gets the massage girls by anymore exclusively."

And you are saying this after conducting a comprehensive survey into all of the massage ladies advertising here ?

Be careful to generalise. The popular statement is not always the correct one. Look at the current ANC government.

There are many massage girls that will not cross that grey line from massaging to full house or even oral. Kindly spend a little time on looking at the profiles and you will notice that there are clear rules of engagement.

And let us just be clear on the terminology. Prostitution, which incidentally is still a felony in SA, is defined as follows : "Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual activity in exchange for payment either as money, goods, services, or some other benefit agreed upon by the transacting parties."

So both working girls and massage girls fall under this definition. A happy ending on a massage table make massage girls prostitutes as well. Why does everyone have a go at them ? Soft targets ? And if they choose to only do wanks, why give them a hard time about it ?

This is cyber bullying, why I am not sure . Maybe the massage girls are impeding on the working girls ? Is this becoming a turf fight ? For the favours af punters ? Again, spewing forth populist views do not make them gospel.

And then to imply that all massage girls eventually goes the route of full house ? Laughable. I will only mention two highly respected ladies that did just the opposite.
Meg
Gabbi
Again, be careful of making populist statements.

And my last point. Having opinions from the punters' side is like having a Grade 1 kid decide the budget for National Government. We, and now there can be no stone-throwing as I include myself in this, and I mean all of the punters on this site, religiously sitting in front of their computers spewing out moral directives, are fucknuts of note.

Fucknuts you say ? Yes, sexual deviants that has to pay women to feel like Gods for an hour, whether we get a massage with a wank or the full treatment. We are certainly not the moral disciples of fucking anything. Much as we like to think this. Wake up.

Have respect for the massage ladies that are sticking to their guns. I know a lot of them, and it is difficult, because every second cunt that walks in there wants something more than what she is offering.

This is a diminishing demand market, and it is going to get worse before it will get better. And by trying to villainise massage ladies you are trying to short change them.

Here endeth the lesson in manners for today.

Amen

Peter Buck

At the end of the day all the girls on this site are here to make a living. It really doesn't matter who does what.

In fact there's no reason to know either.

Like I said we all offer a service the the aim at the end being ejaculation so there's no need to add labels

On 2017-06-11 21:50:08 I never learn said:
I find this a little more than offensive.

Veronica : "Massage and hand relief no longer gets the massage girls by anymore exclusively."

And you are saying this after conducting a comprehensive survey into all of the massage ladies advertising here ?

Be careful to generalise. The popular statement is not always the correct one. Look at the current ANC government.

There are many massage girls that will not cross that grey line from massaging to full house or even oral. Kindly spend a little time on looking at the profiles and you will notice that there are clear rules of engagement.

And let us just be clear on the terminology. Prostitution, which incidentally is still a felony in SA, is defined as follows : "Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual activity in exchange for payment either as money, goods, services, or some other benefit agreed upon by the transacting parties."

So both working girls and massage girls fall under this definition. A happy ending on a massage table make massage girls prostitutes as well. Why does everyone have a go at them ? Soft targets ? And if they choose to only do wanks, why give them a hard time about it ?

This is cyber bullying, why I am not sure . Maybe the massage girls are impeding on the working girls ? Is this becoming a turf fight ? For the favours af punters ? Again, spewing forth populist views do not make them gospel.

And then to imply that all massage girls eventually goes the route of full house ? Laughable. .................

You must be fun to have around at parties.

On 2017-06-11 21:50:08 I never learn said:
"Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual activity in exchange for payment either as money, goods, services, or some other benefit agreed upon by the transacting parties."

Peter Buck

Is "Hand relief" excluded from sexual activity? If my girlfriend is giving me "hand relief" in public...SAPS walks by...are they only going to smile and wave?

I Never Learn, read what i said very carefully. I have respect for ladies like Sam and Sage for example. Sage offers a massage service with extras, no full house. But she doesnt look down on any wg respecting that we all are in the sex industry.

Sam stuck to her guns for years and went to great lengths to ensure her establishment did too, regardless of the girls popularity in the house, she would get rid of them if they offered full house.

I have worked with so many that worked at Elysium, Lothlorien, GHQ, etc that were all massage girls who became full house girls. Almost all started at those places and strip clubs, so no, its purely perception on my part. But what is prevalent is the influx of ladies offering those services openly now, claiming to be masseuses and doing exactly what is supposed to set us apart from them.

You said:

Kindly spend a little time on looking at the profiles and you will notice that there are clear rules of engagement.(The mere fact that guys are asking for MASSAGE ONLY girls that offer FULL HOUSE and are getting replies make the rules of engagement on their profiles, even the honest ones, something to be questioned dont you think?)


Have respect for the massage ladies that are sticking to their guns. (I do actually, those that stick to their guns and dont look down on the rest of us)know a lot of them, and it is difficult, because every second cunt that walks in there wants something more than what she is offering. (Umm, my point being just that in my above statement regarding the 'rules of engagement' or am i speaking greek again )

This is a diminishing demand market, (which only proves what I am saying...how long will there even be a market for these ladies to evade full house and still pay their bills?) it is going to get worse before it will get better. And by trying to villainise massage ladies you are trying to short change them.(i am not villainising, just saying don't cluck like a chicken and call yourself a dog)

On 2017-06-11 21:50:08 I never learn said:
Back on my white horse Fleur.

I find this a little more than offensive.

Veronica : "Massage and hand relief no longer gets the massage girls by anymore exclusively."

And you are saying this after conducting a comprehensive survey into all of the massage ladies advertising here ?

Be careful to generalise. The popular statement is not always the correct one. Look at the current ANC government.

There are many massage girls that will not cross that grey line from massaging to full house or even oral. Kindly spend a little time on looking at the profiles and you will notice that there are clear rules of engagement.

And let us just be clear on the terminology. Prostitution, which incidentally is still a felony in SA, is defined as follows : "Prostitution is the business or practice of engaging in sexual activity in exchange for payment either as money, goods, services, or some other benefit agreed upon by the transacting parties."

So both working girls and massage girls fall under this definition. A happy ending on a massage table make massage girls prostitutes as well. Why does everyone have a go at them ? Soft targets ? And if they choose to only do wanks, why give them a hard time about it ?

This is cyber bullying, why I am not sure . Maybe the massage girls are impeding on the working girls ? Is this becoming a turf fight ? For the favours af punters ? Again, spewing forth populist views do not make them gospel.

And then to imply that all massage girls eventually goes the route of full house ? Laughable. I will only mention two highly respected ladies that did just the opposite.
Meg
Gabbi
Again, be careful of making populist statements.

And my last point. Having opinions from the punters' side is like having a Grade 1 kid decide the budget for National Government. We, and now there can be no stone-throwing as I include myself in this, and I mean all of the punters on this site, religiously sitting in front of their computers spewing out moral directives, are fucknuts of note.

Fucknuts you say ? Yes, sexual deviants that has to pay women to feel like Gods for an hour, whether we get a massage with a wank or the full treatment. We are certainly not the moral disciples of fucking anything. Much as we like to think this. Wake up.

Have respect for the massage ladies that are sticking to their guns. I know a lot of them, and it is difficult, because every second cunt that walks in there wants something more than what she is offering.

This is a diminishing demand market, and it is going to get worse before it will get better. And by trying to villainise massage ladies you are trying to short change them.

Here endeth the lesson in manners for today.

Amen

Peter Buck

Hahaha. What a character. This response made my night