On 2018-03-15 16:00:02 INL said:
Shy

Just got the news not 10 minutes ago.

Family member, white Afrikaans Boer, killed savagely as he returned home last night.

Why ?????????

Boss, that's realy fucked up. Condolences.

I think we all gonna have to get armed. I never owned a gun in my life but been seriously considering getting one.

A policeman himself tuned me that if ever I have to face an intruder in my house, I must make sure to shoot to kill. Becoz if he lives, then you get charged with attempted murder. So kill them and claim self defence. Dead men tell no tales.

With murmurs from some quarters that indians will also be targeted in property and business grabs I anticipate a Idi Amin Uganda situation for us. But Ill first shoot to kill a few maadhirs before I go down.

On 2018-03-15 18:31:37 Yewrev1 said:


Join the crowd, had 2 one on the Sunday next on the Friday that followed. Cops not even interested in cctv footage of the incidents.

Alarm upgrade R23 000.00. Never mind increase in insurance.

I empathize Yewrev. Cops told me cctv is only useful if a car is in picture with registration number. Otherwise... no use really.

I keep on wondering whats next. One thing is sure though, my punting budget is ruined.

@Shy

Jip the preventative measures to try and curd the RDP shopping, did put a major strain on my punting budget.

The reason I brought this thread back is that I have been following it since it was written and I was wanting to know what the writers thoughts were with how things panned out compared to his predictions.
Here is a bit of my opinion.
Everyone sees Cyril as a saviour or saint but I beg to differ. His hands has got Marikana blood on them. He has kept incompetent ministers in cabinet costing us taxpayers. I mean what does the minister of women do for what we taxpayers pay her. Do the SP ladies of ESA feel she is looking after there interest as a minister of women? I don't care about zuma camp still having influence in anc. If Cyril was serious about getting rid of corruption and really showing the taxpayers and citizens of SA he meant business he should have gotten rid of all those corrupt ministers in that way I feel the people of SA would really rally behind him and give him the support against the last bit of zuma supporters.
SA's debt. From what I read SA's total debt is about R2 trillion, which is about twice our GDP. We are now slaves to the creditors. How can you get out of debt if you debt is twice your annual income? Now think of the BILLIONS in INTEREST alone.
Inverse pyramid of people on welfare versus the taxpayer base. There is a saying that goes 'the problem with socialism is that you run out of other peoples money'. As our tax money is wasted a point can come where the wealthy and the skilled can decide that thaey can emigrate and even if the cant afford the same big house as they had in SA at least you will some other benefits for your tax money and as much as Aus, NZ have become strict with immigration, which country is going to so no to skilled people and capital.
CRIME, CRIME, CRIME. even if cyril achieves all other objectives but leaves crime as, is then the achievements are meaningless. INL just posted about his farmer friend that got murdered and i know its just words from a stranger behind the keyboard of the purple world, but I offer my condolences to you. If it were not for the farmers, we would all starve.Maybe the farmers should have a slogan saying 'Kill the farmer, kill the boer, No more food" and wen people don't have food then maybe they will start realizing the value of farmers.

I could continue with lots more points but don't want to make the topic to long and also I hop you guys could following my points as I know the grammar is not perfect but i wrote it as the thoughts came into my head.

So my concluding opinion is that SA is going nowhere, and it will be a case of the rich/have money will make survival adjustments and the poor/have nots will get worse. SA will sadly be the country that 'could have been' with great potential but lost because of idiot leadership stuck with 1970's communist thinking who don't have a fucking clue on how to run a country in todays high technology driven world.

Mr Massageguy

Don't worry about grammar, this is an emotional issue and as such all contributions are welcomed. This thread has been mostly about me spewing forth bile about the current situation, and I would dearly like to hear the other side of the argument as well.

With regard to your points, I am in agreement that the euphoria of seeing zumpoes leaving with his tail between his legs has now evaporated with the stark reality of cyril's new cabinet just showing that he really does not hold the power.

makhonyana ex water Board fuckup still there, batabile empty head sassa still around, and malusi, wtf ? Arthur implicated in Jacques Pauw's book, evidence there for everybody.

And what the living fuck about sean puss abrahams. The fucking Court INSTRCTED CYRIL to fire the puss, and appoint someone new. Now this motherfucking puss must decide whether his BOSS, zumpoes, must be prosecuted or not ? How monumentally fucked up is that?

Socialism and communism are birds of a feather. One just more extreme than the other. Both not working. Why ? Not skilled enough in a nutshell. And the "greed" factor from Gordon's speech not there to grow effectively.

Which brings me to our esteemed members of parliament. Who now suddenly with a big hoo hah calling everyone before it to testify. They are only very ordinary to really stupid people with very little brains who can bullshit their way into a nomination. Are they qualified to ask questions from wily criminals like gigaap ? No, a resounding no. They heard a story, the beginning and the end, but failed to read or understand the middle part. fat fuck lynne brown sitting on her fat lesbian ass and just saying, dont know. If you had a half decent prosecutor asking the questions, you could have tied these mofos up a long time ago.

They are wasting time. Fire abrahams and the top structure, put Thuli and Gerrie there and start clearing the fucking house. Fire that puss arthur. Get someone with balls there. Pull in someone that knows how to run a big organisation. Where is Louis von Zeuner or Steven Koceff ?

Crime is a rewarding pastime. The returns are good. The risk minimal. It should be the HARDEST thing to do. Change the way we look at it. The bribery along the roads. The backhands for favours. Society is fucked.

Trump was so right. Africa is a shithole. We are not living THE dream, we are living the SHIT dream.

Going to sit on my stoep with a long drink and hope no ones comes shooting. Rather don't come tonight, they will never find you.....

Whats brainless is the descendants of a privileged bunch of people during the apartheid days desperately trying to hold on to a fairytale lifestyle. at the same time there are people who have seen that lifestyle and now want it. A friend of mine says that the South African economy is in no place to sustain the 50 million inhabitants on the terms they want jobs or no jobs, It was never capable in the apartheid days when 5 million odd benefited from first class infrastructure and will not be capable when ten times that is required. Time to step out of the fantasy into reality. Time to pack the ossewa

Fairytale lifestyle my ass. Yes, apartheid did give some people privileges but a lot of those also worked damn hard and limited the size of their families. However there are also some of the disadvantaged who managed to accumulate (during said oppression) more money than most of us will ever see.

The "ossewa" tjirp reminded me of this piece I received from a wise friend and I quote :



Next time someone tells you the whites stole land, tell them this :

In the 3,000 years since the end of the Stone Age, the indigenous people of Africa could not manage to create an infrastucture, could not mine or produce export, could, in fact, not succeed in building anything higher than one storey and could not write down anything as reference for future generations, because they could not manage to master the art of writing. (no fucking wonder our school results are so poor).

In fact, when the first Europeans arrived on 6 April 1652 it was 1974 years after Ptolemy 1 build the magnificent library of Alexandria - and in Southern Africa the indigenous people still could do no more than a few rock paintings and a clay pot with patterns on it.

Today, this development, this contribution of the descendants of Europe has become a threat to the Black South African. He cannot compare. He has NO contribution that can remotely compare to what the white man created and therefore he has to fall back on what primal instinct tells him to do :

DESTROY WHAT IS A THREAT TO YOU !!!

It is against this background the the white South African is demonised as a slaver and murderer who stole land.

Let us put this into perspective :

The Europeans who came with Van Riebeeck had NO intention to stay at the Cape (probably thought it was a shithole). We can clearly determine this from the repeated applications for transfers to Batavia or Amsterdam made by almost every Company servant.

The few men who decided to make this their homeland, did so because they came to love the land. They wanted to grow and develop here. And in the written evidence, left us by the men who did not intend to stay and therefore had no reason to lie, it is written down over and over again that the Europeans settled on uninhabited land. They exchanged land for cattle and money and traded with the nomadic indigenous people.

The Company decided to import slaves. I emphasize IMPORT, because no indigenous person in this country was ever put in slavery. In actual fact, the slaves who were brought in from Madagascar and Batavia and Ceylon and East Africa were the ancestors of an entirely new group of people : The Coloured nation of South Africa, who adopted the customs and culture of the European.

Ever wondered why they did not adopt the custom of Africa ? Because they were not exposed to it, that is why. NOBODY at the Cape ever set eyes on a black person for 130 years before the first Trekboere (with their ossewaens) met the Xhosa in the Valleys of the Amatola around 1770.

(There you are fucked julius, your plans of grabbing a lekka winefarm for you just went out the window. Youse ouks were never in the Western Cape !!!)

These slaves also added to the bloodline of the European settlers, as did the French Hugenots of 1688 and the British Settlers of 1820. The White South African was a new nation, born in Africa. This nation called its language Afrikaans, after Africa. This nation called itself after Africa-Afrikaners.

On the first of December 1834 slavery was abolished in the Cape Colony. This is two years before the start of the Great Trek. The white man in South Africa knew nothing of the existence of the Zulu, The Tswana, the Sothgo, the Venda .... and he was at war with the Xhosa. It is chronologically impossible that indigenous people could be held in slavery, if the so-called slave master did not even know of their existence before the abolition of slavery.

Let us look at the "great" and "mighty" revered Shaka Zulu and the Zulu nation (zumpoes is a zulu). Remember that the Europeans landed in South Africa in 1652. Shaka was born around 1787. He managed to unite, through force and murder and rampage a number of small tribes into the Zulu nation around 1819.

Before that year, there WAS NO ZULU PEOPLE. A question of mathematics : The Zulu nation came into existence only 167 years after the arrival of Van Riebeeck. What logic can possible argue that the Europeans took ANYTHING away from the Zulu people ?

So when did the black man establish himself in South Africa and how ? The answer lies in Mfecane (Zulu word meaning "crushing", also known by the Sesotho name : Difaqane (meaning scattering, forced dispersal or forced migration). This was a period of widespread chaos and warfare among indigenous communities in southern Africa between 1815 and 1840.

As King Shaka created the militaristic Zulu Kingdom in the territory between the Tugela River and the Pngola River, his forces caused a wave of warfare and disruption to sweep to other peoples. This was the prelude of the Mfecane, which spread from there. The movement of peoples caused many tribes to try and dominate those in new territories, leading to widespread warfare, consolidation of other groups, such as the Matabele, the Mfengu and the Mokolol, and the creation of states such as the modern Lesotho.

Mfecane is used primarily to refer to the period when Mzilikhazi, king of the Matebele, dominated the Transvaal. During his reign, roughly from 1826 to 1836, he ordered widesread killings and devastation to remove all opposition. He re-organised the territory to establish the new Ndebele order. The death toll has never been satisfactorily determined, but the whole region became nearly depopulated. Normal estimates for the death toll range from 1 to 2 million.


The black man established himself in this barren land now known as South Africa a full 174 years AFTER the white man.

How DARE you then call me a settler when you are nothing more ?

If I don't belong here, certainly neither do you.


Land stolen from the black man ?

No

The land occupied by the Boer people was land that nobody lived on, for the pure and simple reason that the original people of South Africa were massacred and wiped out in a racist genocide by the ancestors of the current black polulation of South Africa.

The very same thing that is now repeated with the white man. The white man has a full and legal and historical claim to his part of this country, including land. And the black man who disputes that is welcome to bring evidence to the contrary. Remember, popular liberal myth, propagandistic expressions and loud shouting and burning and looting to hide your own incapability is not evidence. It is BARBARISM.

The popular myth of "the end of colonialism" is a lie also. Colonialism in South Africa ended on 31 May 1961 when the country became a Republic. White minority rule was not colonialism, because the white South African belongs here- you cannot colonise your own country.

The entire uproar about white oppression and white guilts and white debt is based, exactly like the concept of the rainbow nation and it's Africa - democracy, is one big lie.

Black South Africa might as well realise that the time of the lie is running out. Your stereotyping of the white man and apartheid as the cause of everything, cannot hold much longer.

You cannor hide rotting meat under gift wrap for eternity. Sometime in the future you will have to own up and explain how you could hold a small minority of oppressed people responsible for the disaster that you have made of out country (state capture, zumpoes), which has the potential of being a place of safety, a welcome and hospitable home to all it's children, whether they be black of white, coloured or Indian.

The black man holds the key to the final destruction of what is left, or the final realisation that we have no other choice but to peacefully co-exist.

Here endeth the quote.



The black man is busy losing his grip on power. The ANC lost Metros, zumpoes was here, and now the ONLY way that these fucks can stay in power is to target the whites. We knew this was coming, it was always the last reort. All out attack on the whites.

You will continue down this road of destruction, and scorch the earth as you go along, for that is your nature.

The rest of the world will condemn you, sanction you, and eventually you will have nothing left, like the rest of Africa.

Wake the fuck up those with brains and start your own rhetoric, for you kids will not inherit this bountiful land, but a life of starvation and desperation will be yours.

Amen

"In the 3,000 years since the end of the Stone Age, the indigenous people of Africa could not manage to create an infrastucture, could not mine or produce export, could, in fact, not succeed in building anything higher than one storey and could not write down anything as reference for future generations, because they could not manage to master the art of writing. (no fucking wonder our school results are so poor)."

I stopped reading after this paragraph the more you write the more your racist tendencies tend to reveal itself. You would have achieved nothing if not on the backs of the labor of black people, to this day the country runs like that. Did it ever occur to you that maybe people were happy to live like that however uncivilized you might have found it. It is patently clear that modern technology that you so want to take credit for is one of the primary contributors to the degeneration of the planet! It's nothing to be proud of. What you will leave your children is the legacy of a generation whose greed knows no bounds. Cape Town is a typical example, no more water fine we will take from the sea and so the cycle goes. The life you live today is not sustainable not anymore and it is not attainable to those who want it, the country doesn't have the resources for it there are just too many people, evidently your theory of importing people would make you the white man responsible for this overpopulated situation.

For the record Botswana has a population of 2.25 million people with a stronger economy and currency than that of the rand. BLACK people run that country without a hitch. Get over yourself.

I hope you find the peace you so desperately seek INL.

@Deleted: INL's post hs nothing to do with race. Facts are facts. Just like you mentioning Botswana.

The issue is that the SA Government act like Kings instead of governors. They use the emotional dependency of the masses to maintain their seats as Kings, making empty promises to said masses, to get their votes.

Land has been and always will be the one asset everyone strive to possess. I for one, and most people I know, was never handed anything. I had to, and still, work my butt off to attain anything.

There are two types of people, those who have goals and work in a system to reach their goals, and the others who sees their goal in or woth someone else, and just want to take it. In other words, skip the tiresome hard work and give me what you have. Ie ENTITLEMENT. If someone doesn't work hard to achieve a goal, and it is just handed over, how can that person appreciate and cherish the reached goal? They can't. Easy come, easy go.

More specific, has anyone given this land expropriation without compensation long term thought?

Besides the obvious agricultural catastrophes, all people will then believe they are ENTITLED to any land. As a very simplistic illustration; When I neglected my "land", letting the earth grow barren, soil cracking, house falling apart, etc and I see your "land" 2km down the road, flourishing with a neatly maintained house and sparkling swimmingpool, I can walk over, knock on your door and claim your "land" as mine.

Even with the rumored/proposed land rental from the government, they can decide to sit you out because of any reason they deemed fit really. Since they are the "owners".

Having mentioned the rumored land rental; why would we have to rent our land from them? We bought our houses from someone for an agreed amount. Paid, or bonded and still paying, it off. Where and when did they buy it?
What are rates and taxes for then?!
Also the mention of having to pay extra if you have a borehole on your property...
I call this money for not even giving jam.

Deleted, you are right about one thing. Greed is a terrible thing. It is evident that our Kings actually want all our money at the end of the day. The rest are just excuses or reasons to justify the collection.

Mr Ossewa, alias Deleted, alias Pruveoo

"I stopped reading after this paragraph"



So you missed this part that I wrote :

"Wake the fuck up those with brains and start your own rhetoric, for you kids will not inherit this bountiful land, but a life of starvation and desperation will be yours."


I am astounded. And then still comment on something that you haven't read ?

How absolutely correct am I ? I can see very clearly in which group of idiots you are falling into.

How do you save a country with idiots that are not interested in discussing this issue ?

Is it worth saving ?

Cheers