On 2019-09-18 07:41:48 semensquirter said:
On 2019-09-17 21:16:12 Dstvoke said: I actually find overseas more expensive depending what is purchased. You will never get a McDonald's meal for R40.
The few places I've been to it costs like R80 to R100 for a basic meal
I think he was in Mozambique for a while!
But faster rising prices does not necessarily make it more expensive here. SA is still very cheap when you convert the price into any major currency.
It also does not necessarily mean that locals are finding things becoming unaffordable.
If you live in a country where inflation is 1% and your salary rise by 1%, you are no better or worse off than someone living in a country where inflation is 20% and salaries are also rising by 20%.
But when you go from the 1% inflation country to the 20% inflation country, you are shocked at how much prices have risen in your absence. But what you might forget is that people's Incomes may also have risen a lot in the meanwhile...
On 2019-09-18 18:36:56 Vrik said:
SA has higher inflation than USA and Europe. So obviously prices rise much faster here.
But faster rising prices does not necessarily make it more expensive here. SA is still very cheap when you convert the price into any major currency.
It also does not necessarily mean that locals are finding things becoming unaffordable.
If you live in a country where inflation is 1% and your salary rise by 1%, you are no better or worse off than someone living in a country where inflation is 20% and salaries are also rising by 20%.
But when you go from the 1% inflation country to the 20% inflation country, you are shocked at how much prices have risen in your absence. But what you might forget is that people's Incomes may also have risen a lot in the meanwhile...
No Vrik, people's incomes have not risen in line with inflation
The price of cake has hardly increased, hardly. Our women are highly intelligent and they bake wisely. The number of SP forum participation has increased exponentially and the manner in which the ladies promote themselves is pure genius.
Astronomer is partly to be blamed for this:
www.esa.co.za/forum/thread.php
On 2019-09-18 18:36:56 Vrik said:
SA has higher inflation than USA and Europe. So obviously prices rise much faster here.
But faster rising prices does not necessarily make it more expensive here. SA is still very cheap when you convert the price into any major currency.
It also does not necessarily mean that locals are finding things becoming unaffordable.
If you live in a country where inflation is 1% and your salary rise by 1%, you are no better or worse off than someone living in a country where inflation is 20% and salaries are also rising by 20%.
But when you go from the 1% inflation country to the 20% inflation country, you are shocked at how much prices have risen in your absence. But what you might forget is that people's Incomes may also have risen a lot in the meanwhile...
What about other factors like interest rates? Ireland and the UK are next door to each other but I can tell you that economically the Irish have a much harder time than the English. It's never a like for like comparison and again I reiterate this observation is based on my experience of the cost of living in South Africa three years ago. I wouldn't dare compare countries there are just too many factors to make an educated decision.
The UK's pound lost over 20% of it's value and that is now starting to show at the bottom line of the publics shopping bills. I think personally Boris and his loons are going to force the no-deal exit at all cost's even breaking UK law to do it. And the damage will be done, and it will take decades to recover as even Jacob Rees-Mogg has said.
Ireland (and France) however is making a lot of moves to promote it's meat and dairy in Europe to step into the space left by the UK. Looks like it's work to a good degree as well. Their universities have seen a massive upswing in applications from Europe through the Erasmus.
Ireland will reunify, Scotland will devolve.
The final slightly humorous thing is that while the UK was in the EU it was France's responsibility to take back all illegals caught in Dover and Calais or trying to cross by boat and they'd go back to the jungle to try again.
As of Brexit there is no way France is going to carry spending the money for this since it is not a requirement for them to stop any immigrant or asylum seeker from exiting the EU territory to a 3rd country. Fun and games on the English channel.
On 2019-09-19 10:10:29 thebrakpanjedi said:
To be fair, Ireland right now is sitting in a much better position then the UK with the rolling shit-show that is Brexit.
The UK's pound lost over 20% of it's value and that is now starting to show at the bottom line of the publics shopping bills. I think personally Boris and his loons are going to force the no-deal exit at all cost's even breaking UK law to do it. And the damage will be done, and it will take decades to recover as even Jacob Rees-Mogg has said.
Ireland (and France) however is making a lot of moves to promote it's meat and dairy in Europe to step into the space left by the UK. Looks like it's work to a good degree as well. Their universities have seen a massive upswing in applications from Europe through the Erasmus.
Ireland will reunify, Scotland will devolve.
The final slightly humorous thing is that while the UK was in the EU it was France's responsibility to take back all illegals caught in Dover and Calais or trying to cross by boat and they'd go back to the jungle to try again.
As of Brexit there is no way France is going to carry spending the money for this since it is not a requirement for them to stop any immigrant or asylum seeker from exiting the EU territory to a 3rd country. Fun and games on the English channel.
Right your post is wrong on so many counts
Ireland better off than the UK, the UK is 75% of their market
Boris and his loons, it is called democracy, are you aware of the word?
Sell their meat etc, the EU is financially in a huge deficit, Germany could be going into recession
Are you aware of the refugee law, France or whoever can be sued if they allow unfettered access to a third country
So I call bullshit to your post
You can call bullshit all you want but actual facts matter, something sorely lost in today's political climate.
According the BusinessInsider, as well as other sources.
In 1973, when Ireland and the UK joined the European Economic Community, the UK accounted for 54.8% of Irish goods exports and 50.1% of imports. In 2018, those shares were 11.4% and 21.7%, respectively.
Your claim is therefore wrong. There is nothing the Irish can buy from the UK that cannot be sourced within the EU so that 21% goes away since nobody will be buying British products with a huge tariff on them when there is a suitable alternative. Business 101. The 11,7% export is the area that Ireland is pushing into the EU with, marketing themselves as the safest bet after brexit, same quality, same standards, zero tariff. And they are making progress.
Democracy ?
How many people voted for Boris Johnson in the last general election ? None,
What percentage of the population was allowed to elect him in the party seat, 0.02%. This is not even the whole Tory Party, this was only selected paying members of the party.
There is no elusion of any democratic mandate for Brexit, to claim it is a lie.
Boris himself voted for May's deal, He himself said No-Deal was impossible and economic suicide in the run up to the referendum.
Farage, Rees-Mog and rest of the clowns in the car have all said previously there would be a deal and that it would the easiest deal in the world. Now they are willing to give up NI to secure a No Deal ? And that is not highly suspicious to you ?
Further to that, in the last general election 54% of the national vote went to parties who specifically stated that they were opposed to no-deal. That's a majority mandate to block Boris. Democracy. And if he didn't like then he shouldn't have given up his majority in parliament in a fit of rage.
Economics.
Yes, Europe is looking towards a recession. Now look at the last one, which western economic zone weathered it the best ? The EU.
Ireland itself has mad a huge turn around and is now actively expanding it's markets into Europe to bolster itself against Brexit. Talking to all the restaurant and food industry people I deal with in the EU daily they are all saying they are looking at replacing the mainland UK products with Irish and French since the qualities are very similar and they have no interest in complicating their businesses with even more tax paperwork to suit the English.
Immigration.
Yes, France could be sued... to no avail. The case has already been made that all the French have to do is say to them. Do not attempt to cross. Which they already do when doing the paperwork on these people. They are covered.
These cases have been tried a thousand times.
They will still not have to accept those people back from the UK once they have encountered any British border force or landed in the UK. That is international law, as long as those people do not claim French nationality they are then legally the UK's problem. Further more to that, as long as those people have no nationality paperwork they can never be legally deported under UK and International law.
So again, you can call it what ever you like. The facts stand.
On 2019-09-20 12:47:53 thebrakpanjedi said:
Uh, no.
You can call bullshit all you want but actual facts matter, something sorely lost in today's political climate.
According the BusinessInsider, as well as other sources.
In 1973, when Ireland and the UK joined the European Economic Community, the UK accounted for 54.8% of Irish goods exports and 50.1% of imports. In 2018, those shares were 11.4% and 21.7%, respectively.
Your claim is therefore wrong. There is nothing the Irish can buy from the UK that cannot be sourced within the EU so that 21% goes away since nobody will be buying British products with a huge tariff on them when there is a suitable alternative. Business 101. The 11,7% export is the area that Ireland is pushing into the EU with, marketing themselves as the safest bet after brexit, same quality, same standards, zero tariff. And they are making progress.
Democracy ?
How many people voted for Boris Johnson in the last general election ? None,
What percentage of the population was allowed to elect him in the party seat, 0.02%. This is not even the whole Tory Party, this was only selected paying members of the party.
There is no elusion of any democratic mandate for Brexit, to claim it is a lie.
Boris himself voted for May's deal, He himself said No-Deal was impossible and economic suicide in the run up to the referendum.
Farage, Rees-Mog and rest of the clowns in the car have all said previously there would be a deal and that it would the easiest deal in the world. Now they are willing to give up NI to secure a No Deal ? And that is not highly suspicious to you ?
Further to that, in the last general election 54% of the national vote went to parties who specifically stated that they were opposed to no-deal. That's a majority mandate to block Boris. Democracy. And if he didn't like then he shouldn't have given up his majority in parliament in a fit of rage.
Economics.
Yes, Europe is looking towards a recession. Now look at the last one, which western economic zone weathered it the best ? The EU.
Ireland itself has mad a huge turn around and is now actively expanding it's markets into Europe to bolster itself against Brexit. Talking to all the restaurant and food industry people I deal with in the EU daily they are all saying they are looking at replacing the mainland UK products with Irish and French since the qualities are very similar and they have no interest in complicating their businesses with even more tax paperwork to suit the English.
Immigration.
Yes, France could be sued... to no avail. The case has already been made that all the French have to do is say to them. Do not attempt to cross. Which they already do when doing the paperwork on these people. They are covered.
These cases have been tried a thousand times.
They will still not have to accept those people back from the UK once they have encountered any British border force or landed in the UK. That is international law, as long as those people do not claim French nationality they are then legally the UK's problem. Further more to that, as long as those people have no nationality paperwork they can never be legally deported under UK and International law.
So again, you can call it what ever you like. The facts stand.
Thank you for your eloquent and detailed response
Paragraph 2) 17,4 million people voted Brexit, end of
Paragraph 1) I was talking about Ireland exporting to the UK
Paragraph 3) I have different sources whose opinions differ vastly from yours unfortunately
Paragraph 4) Whichever country refugees land in they must request asylum, they cannot pick and choose where they want to live unfortunately
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