@Valentina....

As for an overnighter with you... well that would be an experience any man would love to have... but I think a overnight with you would have to be in a spectacular place with a view that is incredible, if only to match your personality....

Watching the sun go down with a vino tinto from Rioja, some lovely tapa's all the while looking over the african bush as it the sun makes it look like it is on fire... hmmm... what a way to start a night.

@bridgette... Yes, I know I did come across as all paternal about the safety side of things but given that poor Mynx was just assaulted so savagely it was stuck in my mind how precarious you ladies are when visiting us gents. Even though I do realize that her situation is a little different it was just there at the top of my head so I thought I would just get my thoughts across.

As for the right mindframe, you are correct... it is quite a different experience, one that does require certain amount of honesty as it is so difficult for a lady to maintain that "work" persona for that length of time. the conversations are often a lot more involved and lot more personal, from both sides in fact...
I do still partake in the odd hour or two but I have found the connection with a really good overnighter is just so much better for me and my personality.

@deamonza perhaps this is just the place to take Valentina....

www.lionsands.com/our-treehouses/a-night-under-the-stars/

Deamonza.....
I think it takes a lot of courage opening oneself up to a stranger and allowing a true connection to take place.

You see. My personality is such that I hinge on to peoples persona and character and thrive on connecting, potentially too deeply . And thus would find overnighters too frightening.
Would not know how to disocciate "real" from "not real" in a situation like that.

As u rightly say, a better and rewarding chance of finding that comfort and restful sleep in the company of another and a deeper connection.

Shoo. Toooooo deep and "real" for me. I may just fall in love!!!

And thus wouldn't risk it!

Xxx

:D!

Since my view of a R 1,500-00 overnight rate has been challenged, let me put forward some extra arguments at the risk of making myself really unpopular to those receiving the monies. But then again this is not a popularity contest, just a simple conversation about rates. And as we are dealing in a captive market with, for a lack of an acceptable and non-derogatory term to all, sleeping over ladies, or SOL's, please forgive me any unintended cynicism.

1.) The average rate per hour is not R 850-00
2.) It is closer to R 600-00
3.) It is always about the money
4.) It is not even dependant on what is expected, that is secondary.
5.) Deamon can sleep all he likes, he will still be charged a flat fee

Simple law of supply and demand regulates our life macro-economically. Unless the Government interferes and market forces are distorted. No interference here, our current Government has not seen the benefit of legalising (and taxing) this industry as a revenue source. Heavens forbid that they do, the poor girls will just be so much worse off. Paying taxes that are stolen, corruption and the collection of taxes (at source), my head is reeling.

We as individuals are subjected to many external factors that we have absolutely no control over. One is the E-Tolls. That little train is storming down the tracks and the first wave of shit will happen soon to the non-payers. Once that happens, disposable income will once more decline.

We as punters, given the fact that I believe most punters here are employees, have less disposabble income every year. Yes you might get a bonus and an increase, but your expenses are rising faster than your income. So on a real basis, you are getting poorer, unless you are one of the stars and rising rapidly in your field. But then again you would be one of the boys burning the midnight oil with little disposable time on your hands, making you exempt from my selection.

Given the above, to pay for an overnighter, is expensive.

The number of people able to afford it will get less.

So the demand will drop, and given that the supply of SOL's will increase as their daily revenue drops, the price will be adjusted downwards.

Simple law of supply and demand.

Please note that I in in no way trying to get a cheaper overnight rate. The reason for my post is merely to warn those SOL's to tighten their belts and make sure that they provide for a rainy day.

It saddens me to hear of the vast monies being earned by some ladies, and when you ask them about medical aid, 99% of those that I asked see no need for this. If no medical aid, what are the chances of a savings plan ? I would venture the answer is zero. But I digress. This is a topic all on its own.

Times will get tighter. Prepare to winter the storm. This industry will survive, but with changes.

Good luck

@Peterbuck.... I based my numbers on my own experiences after 9 years of this type of booking. I cannot speculate on what you pay for your bookings.

The only ladies currently working an overnight for less then R2000 are the Chinese house ladies... This is based on my own booking history.

My maths still stands... A recent booking was a R650 a hour usual rate girl, the overnight price was R4500, I use this basic formula every time work out my punting budget when I come to SA and I am almost always close enough that my budget is accurate.

Bear in mind another thing... what a girl charges me, and what she might charge you are not always going to be the same. The type of girl I book might also be different then what you book as well so that should be thought out as well.

Yet another point, currently the SA economy has been in decline for quite a while, and the rand has taken a pounding for quite a while as well. Yet I have seen the prices have actually stayed mostly the same in my hunting pool, in some cases they have actually gone up with no detriment to the demand.

@PB, is HOE overnight fee R5000? I was told it's R6500...I must try more if it's R5000.

@deamonza, the overnight experience you discribed really attract my eyes. I must invite the girl accomanied with me for many things, not just f*cking her the whole night. A nice BJ in the morning is necessary, and I prefer it starts before I wake up. Lol

You guys are all right. Economics is down and people start preparing holidays. On the other hand, I get more chance to persuade the girls to try a high quality overnight booking. That's perfect!

Cheers!

Hi Deamonza

Just to clarify, I believe that the price will drop in the future. It is not at that rate now, I totally agree. But I can see the current rate dropping fairly soon.

There will always be the top end of the market that can ask a premium for their services, albeit for a limited time. And as one reaches the end, new blood will follow taking their place.

It is like anything else in the world, prices are hardly set in stone, market demand will dictate.

Just take avocados as an example. In wintermonths you can pick them up at R 4-00 an avo. The rest of the year , you are paying up to R 16-00 for avos.

Christmas holidays are loomimg, punters go on leave with their families. How many ladies provide for that slump in income ? Desperation sets in, and specials are run.

Lets agree to disagree. And let time tell us what will happpen.

Mine prediction is for the future. For now, we pay the fees.

And just on a personal note : your description of an overnight was so close to mine that it was scary.

Matthew

R 5,000-00 : That was the last price that I was quoted. But that was some time ago.

Could be that they increased the price ? Also dont know if it is a standard rate and if it is dependant on which girl.

But seeing that you have booked almost all the girls at HOE and has become their number one client in terms of marketing, I am pretty sure that the management will reward you by giving you a special price. Just dont mention it on the forum.

I lost track. How many still to go ?

And is Franchesca the stripper also on your list ?

LOL

I paid standard rates without any special for me so far, not at all. I hope I'm lucky enough to use the special for me someday. I would love to have it, can't wait. Lol

Good things are always acommanied with trouble things PB. Yes I've booked almost all the ladies there, but I'm facing a loyalty challenge recently. All the girls know me now and they know I rotate around. As long as she found she's not able to make me as her regular base, things changed...From this point of view, I decide not to book new ladies for a while and only book a certain ladies I've seen before. Let's see what will happen after a few weeks. Lol