My thoughts and prayers with the people of Ukraine.

Hopefully the sanctions will have a major effect and it won't escalate

I don't know you personally Mila, and I can only imagine how terrifying this is for you. I wish your family safety and peace. I hope this will pass soon xx

On 2022-02-25 07:55:31 JP82 said:
On 2022-02-24 21:40:36 Vrik said: On 2022-02-24 18:18:04 JP82 said:
For what? to suck Putin's cock while he marches marches on Kiev? Did you not see Trumps embarrassing praise for this?

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/23/trump-putin-genius-russia-ukraine-crisis

I am not Trump's pimp - LoL, but read what Trump has said in the context

www.wsj.com/livecoverage/russia-ukraine-latest-news


Please explain what in the context you think justifies such high praise for Putin, because I'm well aware of the context and just not seeing it. But there also seems to be some weird collective amnesia about:

1) Trump's general molly-coddling of autocrats/dictators (and Putin in particular),
2) Trump (after his chat with Putin) trying to blame Ukraine for Russian interference and disinformation campaigns in the 2016 election ( with no evidence and against his own intelligence services) and,
3) Trump's first impeachment, which was for threatening/attempting (without legal authority) to withhold congress approved aid to Ukraine (including anti-tank javelin missiles that are key to withstanding a Russian invasion) in order to extort Ukraine into doing something for his own personal political benefit. Remember the phrase "quid pro quo" that we heard about a billion times? Well the "quid" was military aid that Ukraine relies on to defend itself.

So no, I don't think he's the guy the situation needs right now, unless your idea of how this should be resolved is to cheer Russia on, as the tanks roll in.

Read the below from WSJ.
I probably mostly agree with most of your other points. Like i said, i am not a Trump fan. But i feel when u read the headlines, it seems he just praised Putin. I think he praised him for opportunistically and smartly taking an opportunity when it was available. And i agree with that.

"Former President Donald Trump called Russian President Vladimir Putin smart and criticized the U.S. response to Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

"I mean, he's taking over a country for $2 worth of sanctions. I'd say that's pretty smart," Mr. Trump said during a fundraiser at his Mar-a-Lago resort in Florida on Wednesday night, according to a recording of the event posted online, contending that Mr. Putin wouldn't have invaded if he were still president.

In a telephone interview with Fox News late Wednesday night, as Russia launched its invasion, Mr. Trump called the unfolding events a "very sad thing for the world and the country." He said Mr. Biden hadn't done enough to dissuade Mr. Putin from invading.

"He was going to be satisfied with a piece and now he sees the weakness and the incompetence and the stupidity of this administration," Mr. Trump said on Fox News on Wednesday night.

It is the second time Mr. Trump called Mr. Putin smart in recent days. He made similar comments during a radio interview earlier this week.

"I went in yesterday and there was a television screen, and I said, 'This is genius,' " Mr. Trump said during the radio interview "Putin declares a big portion of of Ukraine, Putin declares it as independent. Oh, that's wonderful. So, Putin is now saying, 'It's independent,' a large section of Ukraine. I said, 'How smart is that?'"

Btw, i thought Biden did a good speech last night.

On 2022-02-25 10:07:40 Vrik said:


Read the below from WSJ.
I probably mostly agree with most of your other points. Like i said, i am not a Trump fan. But i feel when u read the headlines, it seems he just praised Putin. I think he praised him for opportunistically and smartly taking an opportunity when it was available. And i agree with that.

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All I see there is Trump doing what he always does - using any opportunity to criticise his political opponents. Doesn't matter what actually is being done, or what actually is feasible, he would do it better/different.

Like his healthcare plan that never came. (The ACA was so terrible, but its better replacement was "coming in 2 weeks" for 4 years) or how he lambasted Obama for constantly playing golf, and then spent more time on a golf course in his first 2 years than Obama did in 8.

There is nothing in the way he treated Putin or Ukraine while he was in office that suggests that he would have been any more effective than the current administration, and in fact would likely have been more acquiescent. Biden might be seen as a weak opponent, but at least he's an opponent. Trump was Putin's lapdog - and saying "I would have been tougher than Biden" just is not supported by his *actual actions* while in office.

Uncle Hitler sensibly percieved the future danger Russia would pose to the civilzed world and was well on his way to neutralize the red threat. What subsequently resulted was the west defeating the wrong enemy. All the suffering and millions dead in the countless cold war proxy wars could have been avoided if we allowed Hitler to do his job..

On 2022-02-25 13:43:08 Nic111 said:
Uncle Hitler sensibly percieved the future danger Russia would pose to the civilzed world and was well on his way to neutralize the red threat. What subsequently resulted was the west defeating the wrong enemy. All the suffering and millions dead in the countless cold war proxy wars could have been avoided if we allowed Hitler to do his job..

Ah look, a nazi apologist doesn't know history. It was the Soviet Union that defeated the 3rd reich, and it was Hitler's stupid insistence on further invading the East (during fucking winter! Genius!) that actually lead to the demise of the Third Reich.

If you wanna worship defeated ideologies at least get the entry-level stuff right.

Another thread successfully hijacked.

Zelenskyy should just surrender. Nato isn't gonna get involved and Russia is gonna blow them out the water. No need to let all those young men lose their lives for a so called noble cause

On 2022-02-25 13:43:08 Nic111 said:
Uncle Hitler sensibly percieved the future danger Russia would pose to the civilzed world and was well on his way to neutralize the red threat. What subsequently resulted was the west defeating the wrong enemy. All the suffering and millions dead in the countless cold war proxy wars could have been avoided if we allowed Hitler to do his job..

What the honest F*? Crikey you've been standing with your brains too close to the microwave.

On 2022-02-25 13:50:10 modnarmodnar said:
On 2022-02-25 13:43:08 Nic111 said: Uncle Hitler sensibly percieved the future danger Russia would pose to the civilzed world and was well on his way to neutralize the red threat. What subsequently resulted was the west defeating the wrong enemy. All the suffering and millions dead in the countless cold war proxy wars could have been avoided if we allowed Hitler to do his job..
Ah look, a nazi apologist doesn't know history. It was the Soviet Union that defeated the 3rd reich, and it was Hitler's stupid insistence on further invading the East (during fucking winter! Genius!) that actually lead to the demise of the Third Reich.

If you wanna worship defeated ideologies at least get the entry-level stuff right.

It's amazing the guy is smoking his own powdery sperm and it has cooked his brain.

West stopped Hitler from taking Russia? In what world of anal peri peri fantasy does he smoke that up from.

In what world is Hitler a good thing? Some dudes can't think or state their thought process in a cogent manner.