"At the end of the day Darren"....Daporra

What I think:

Sharon wasn't banned because of Shakira.

I know Shakira and she is a good person.
From what I know of Shakira...she has a fighting spirit (how I see her anyway). She haven't defended herself publicly. That is probably the first thing that any person will do.."fok julle almal...ek is onskuldig!!..dis kak stories" ( what I would've said myself).

Why haven't she done that? I don't say what Sharon said happened...Not saying Lovemonkey is telling the truth either...I wasn't there...so I don't know. But if nothing strange/out of the ordinary happened that night at the restaurant....Shakira would've come on here (even thru sms's to Vee) and said so.

I believe that ESA had enough "evidence" to make a decision.

And yes....I was with Vee at the social when Shakira made the threat/promise to have her busted......and the Teasers claim as well. I didn't drink myself snotters...so remember it clearly.

Mini

Double post. Pressing too much buttons at the same time. Im very impatient...sowwy

On 2017-08-04 11:27:10 gary_g said:
Everything you say here is based on believing LoveMonkey199. You want to believe him (her)? Be my guest. I think any person who reads his(her) posts will come to a different conclusion.

I have never attacked DIRECTORSSS' credibility. I asked him why he took attacks on you personally, just like why he asked me why I took Shakira's banning personally. We answered each other civilly, and exchanged some thoughts privately. I happen to like him, from what I know of him from his postings and our communication. Please leave him out of this. It has no relationship with LoveMonkey199's credibility.

Whatever happened at Pharaohs is between you and Shakira. I don't really see it as relevant.

I am extremely uneasy with you cozying up to Sharon's defender. But if you're comfortable, fine. I just know, reading his(her) posts trying to rehabilitate Sharon, I think defending a scammer is nauseating.

Gary, honestly, if you don't get it, you're just to exhausting to deal with because you talk yourself in circles and have nothing relevant to add except your defence of Shakira's account of things.

I dislike Sharon, never liked her for obvious reasons, but for you to say that she deserved to be threatened is just a matter of your opinion and not very nice. As much as I dislike her, I would never do what Shakira did. In this instance, wrong is wrong and right is right. If Shakira simply tried to quietly find out Sharon's name without causing a scene, there would have been no issues, but she had her own axe to grind and used the rest of us as her imaginary backup scapegoats.

Defend her as you please, but I am actually thinking of taking other measures to find out everyone's story.

My point was that I am not aware of anything else that transpired but I can vouch for the shit Shakira talks when drunk, which makes the Pharaoh's incident more then relevant. That is one that I can mention as I was personally involved, but the stories making the rounds regarding Shakira's credibility are not for me to divulge. When someone continuously talks shit in a drunken state, they build up a reputation as being a bullshitter, so she only has herself to blame with regards to reasonable doubt.

@DIRECTORSSS Actually, I stated Shakira's version previously. Sharon was harassing her, demanding access to her phone. Shakira claims the video would exonerate her. I find that LoveMonkey199's rather abrupt assertion that no-one will see the video without a court order suspicious in that regard.

As to Pharaohs, maybe you should give the complete version of events. What prompted Shakira to threaten Veronica? But it still has no relevance to the events at the restaurant now.

End of the day, ESA has presented no evidence other than Sharon's letter and the account of someone so inextricably tied to Sharon as to seriously call into account whether they even exist for Shakira's banning to my knowledge.

And Sharon, IMHO, is someone not worthy of causing anyone's banning. But Shakira is banned, and that is ESA's decision and right. Maybe Veronica should just let this rest instead of dragging you into this, and trying to defend a scammer's defender.

It's really distasteful.

I was in the bathroom doing my make up, but who understands what Shakira was thinking. I had not long before announced my decision to come clean a few weeks prior to Pharaoh's, so maybe that was the catalyst.

There was no reason for her to claim that she bought out 70% of teasers either other then some bid to impress someone who might not be any wiser, but there it is. DIRECTORSSS was not the only witness to that. So you tell me since Shakira's word is so plausible to you. I think she's calling your bluff with regards to the video exonerating her.

All Im getting at is the fact that Shakira is not disputing anything...or giving her own accounts of events ..... Publicly....as any inocent person would. My question....Why not? Only she can answer this.

@DIRECTORSSS I'll start a new thread when I see her next, which may even be as soon as next week. Obviously, you don't believe that what I posted reflects her views. Okay, we'll make it quoted and official.

@Veronica, so you have no idea what the problem between you was. I thought you got drunk later? Never mind...the dispute arose outside of Mini's frame of reference, but he is a witness to the result. Okay...

And if you are threatening legal action against Shakira, that is certainly your right. But there are already some holes in your stories, so I would tread cautiously. And, with that, I am done with this thread unless I have something substantive to add. I really am astounded at the demise of the persona I used to know as Veronica Franco. She was a woman of substance.

If Shakira is an informant she better take care.

Snitches land up in ditches ....

So I'm told

And Gary, maybe Sharon wasn't worth Shakiras banning according to you, but Shakira brought an Esa employees name into a death threat....don't you think that gives Esa grounds to ban her? We still don't know what Esa received in terms of evidence, but even then, I'm sure they have their reasons to not divulge it!

On 2017-08-04 12:18:04 gary_g said:


@Veronica, so you have no idea what the problem between you was. I thought you got drunk later? Never mind...the dispute arose outside of Mini's frame of reference, but he is a witness to the result. Okay...

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Gary...you met me. Probably know how early I left from the social where we met? Think allot of people know Im probably the most antisocial person here.

Vee invited me to the social at Pharaohs. She promised to babysit me...and that is what she did. I was with her (even in the bathroom when she did her makeup). Nobody provoked any comments from Shakira....I can guarantee you that...definately not Vee. She made the statement out of her own. The Teasers comment was as she and her partner got up to leave. Cant add anything else...what you read here is what she said.