On 2017-06-12 09:38:47 Sibyl said:
Since I advertise on an Adult website, I cannot get angry with ladies who advertise under the massage section and offer fullhouse, oral and more included in their treatments. Why? Because any form of sexual relief, be it pelvic or fullhouse, is still sexual relief..........

So the fact that I only offer massage and pelvic and remain dressed during my treatments, does not make me any better than a mg who strips kaalgat and/or offers body to body, oral and fullhouse.

Even if I offered clients on Esa strictly massage only treatments with no pelvic relief, I still can't get on my high horse and angry, because this is an adult website and the vast majority, if not all of the guys who visit this website, come here looking for sexual relief included in their treatments, so it is only natural that clients will ask for such treatments and that some massage ladies will offer such treatments.

If a lady offers strictly massage only treatments, with no sexual relief whatsoever and she gets offended or angry with other ladies who offer more that what she does, then imo she is better off advertising on a holistic website as opposed to advertising on an adult website.

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Well said Sibyl

On 2017-06-12 09:38:47 Sibyl said:
Since I advertise on an Adult website, I cannot get angry with ladies who advertise under the massage section and offer fullhouse, oral and more included in their treatments. Why? Because any form of sexual relief, be it pelvic or fullhouse, is still sexual relief..........

So the fact that I only offer massage and pelvic and remain dressed during my treatments, does not make me any better than a mg who strips kaalgat and/or offers body to body, oral and fullhouse.

Even if I offered clients on Esa strictly massage only treatments with no pelvic relief, I still can't get on my high horse and angry, because this is an adult website and the vast majority, if not all of the guys who visit this website, come here looking for sexual relief included in their treatments, so it is only natural that clients will ask for such treatments and that some massage ladies will offer such treatments.

If a lady offers strictly massage only treatments, with no sexual relief whatsoever and she gets offended or angry with other ladies who offer more that what she does, then imo she is better off advertising on a holistic website as opposed to advertising on an adult website.

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Something I said to massage only Lady yesterday.....will you show your massage ad on ESA to your mother? If not, why not?
Working girl/massage girl, its all semantics. In the eyes of Joe Public we are all sexworkers when it comes down to it.

I know of mates who have wives who studied for then opened beauty thingy shops and employ girls who are MGs only (at least the premises look like that to me). I doubt I can label such ladies as having opened sex-work shops! Just saying.....but if inside the sealed/quiet cubicles their girls do other stuff THEN well....thats a huge difference!

I do agree with almost everything said on this thread! There is nothing clear cut, but I still feel for the massage only ladies that are losing business and eventually might feel they have to offer extras in order to get by. Nothing to do with me really, but when the boundaries become blurred, it causes so many other issues.

Something that does confuse me is the massage girs supposedly offering full house to punters in the other thread. Surely that diminishes that 'control' over who they will and wont do full house with? If it's offered as a service to all with a set fee, surely most points that have been made to that affect are all questionable too? If its not offered in the heat of the moment, doesn't the 'choice' become irrelevant if a client has been offered it upfront before even meeting the girl or is it offered 'upfront' on the basis of 'if we hit it off'....surely if shes told a punter that it might be on the cards and she refuses, it's insulting to the client or is that the point where he ups the fee in which case, she succumbs for the right price?

Then theres also the fee negotiations of late with full house girls...what makes massage girls worthy of exhorbitant income for the same thing over the full house ladies?

I found the same thing at strip clubs...i charged R2500 for 15 mins full house (I was reprimanded by other ladies for charging to little) and I made a killing, especially when they recognised me as Veronica Franco.

Yet same guys bitch when booking a full house lady! I dont get the hypocrisy.

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I found the same thing at strip clubs...i charged R2500 for 15 mins full house (I was reprimanded by other ladies for charging to little)

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R2500 FOR 15min?!
And your colleagues thought you were charging to little?! How much were they charging?

I paid at The Grand R2000 with a Russian/Ukranian upstairs that lasted 45minutes.

The one lady was charging R5000 for a handjob just to give you an idea....and she got it!

On 2017-06-12 11:19:20 Veronica Franco said:
The one lady was charging R5000 for a handjob just to give you an idea....and she got it!

Goddamn! Seriously rich (or stupid) maadhirs lol.

That's why I haven't been to The Grand or Mavs for 7 years. Pomping a stripper is costly and when you horny sometimes one makes kak decisions! And I don't even suip alcohol!

Pity my knees and ankles couldn't keep up. Or I'd still be there occasionally. The hours are also just to erratic and tiring.