@BenLayden... hot button subject for me, I hate it when people make statements that have little to no real factual accuracy but a very real consequence in feeding a false narrative.

For example there was a report published by ORB that stated the numbers were over a million dead... over a million. This was reported on widely, the US was mauled in the media completely and more insurgents signed up in record numbers to stop this slaughter of the innocents... it was only after a few peer reviews of the data that it was found that the ORB estimate was performed by a random survey of 1,720 adults aged 18+, out of which 1,499 responded between August 12 and August 19, 2007.

War reporting by survey ?

Deamonza, nothing of the sort has been proven. And I certainly won't be sucking up the "critical thinking and reporting" being spouted forth by the Western media whose reporting is leading many Westerners to believe that Muslims are bad (and there are 1.6 billion of them being tainted by that vomit). The bottom line or the thin line between whose version for the illegal invasion of a sovereign country to overthrow the very man the US backed (against Iran), is correct somehow does not compensate for the mess that invasion has created, opening the door for the rise of Jihadist movements wanting to punish the "infidels".
Let's not divert or digress from what that invasion has caused. The Project for the new American Century is well on its way.

On 2015-11-19 18:53:51 honeybear said:
The bottom line or the thin line between whose version for the illegal invasion of a sovereign country to overthrow the very man the US backed (against Iran), is correct somehow does not compensate for the mess that invasion has created, opening the door for the rise of Jihadist movements wanting to punish the "infidels".
Let's not divert or digress from what that invasion has caused. The Project for the new American Century is well on its way.

Uhm, back to facts again... Jihadists were around and on the rise long long before even the first Iraq invasion but sure it's all the Americans fault again. Are you sure you don't want to blame them for water being wet.

And the irony is that now the majority of US states are not willing to take in any Syrian refugees. Yes the very people they made refugees by their backing (along with their Saidi cronies) of the opposition to Assad who are controlled by terrorist groups (not to mention ISIL).

These countries may have had their issues (like most countries do) but the people had homes, jobs, families, hope and a Middle Eastern ruler, not some aliens from afar.
Hopefully the truth will prevail !
But sadly it won't help the millions of displaced people that these acts of destabilization by US and its 2 accomplices have created.

And you are relying on the thin line between whether the invasion was legal or not !

Karma will take care that the full truth will prevail and justice will be served.

Just wanted to clear up the situation in Syria ...


President Assad (who is bad) is a nasty guy who got so nasty his people rebelled and the Rebels (who are good) started winning.

But then some of the rebels turned a bit nasty and are now called Islamic State (who are definitely bad) and some continued to support democracy (who are still good).

So the Americans (who are good) started bombing Islamic State (who are bad) and giving arms to the Syrian Rebels (who are good) so they could fight Assad (who is still bad) which was good.

By the way, there is a breakaway state in the north run by the Kurds who want to fight IS (which is a good thing) but the Turkish authorities think they are bad, so we have to say they are bad whilst secretly thinking they're good and giving them guns to fight IS (which is good) but that is another matter.

Getting back to Syria. President Putin (bad, as he invaded Crimea and the Ukraine and killed lots of folks including that nice Russian man in London with polonium) has decided to back Assad (who is still bad) by attacking IS (who are also bad) which is sort of a good thing?

But Putin (still bad) thinks the Syrian Rebels (who are good) are also bad, and so he bombs them too, much to the annoyance of the Americans (who are good) who are busy backing and arming the rebels (who are also good).

Now Iran (who used to be bad, but now they have agreed not to build any nuclear weapons and bomb Israel are now good) are going to provide ground troops to support Assad (still bad) as are the Russians (bad) who now have ground troops and aircraft in Syria.

So, a Coalition of Assad (still bad) Putin (extra bad) and the Iranians (good, but in a bad sort of way) are going to attack IS (who are bad) which is a good thing, but also the Syrian Rebels (who are good) which is bad.

Now the British (obviously good, except Corbyn who is probably bad) and the Americans (also good) cannot attack Assad (still bad) for fear of upsetting Putin (bad) and Iran (good / bad) and now they have to accept that Assad might not be that bad after all compared to IS (who are super bad).

So Assad (bad) is now probably good, being better than IS (no real choice there) and since Putin and Iran are also fighting IS that may now make them good. America (still good) will find it hard to arm a group of rebels being attacked by the Russians for fear of upsetting Mr Putin (now good) and that mad ayatollah in Iran (also good) and so they may be forced to say that the Rebels are now bad, or at the very least abandon them to their fate. This will lead most of them to flee to Turkey and on to Europe or join IS (still the only constantly bad group).

To Sunni Muslims, an attack by Shia Muslims (Assad and Iran) backed by Russians will be seen as something of a Holy War, and the ranks of IS will now be seen by the Sunnis as the only Jihadis fighting in the Holy War and hence many Muslims will now see IS as good (doh!).

Sunni Muslims will also see the lack of action by Britain and America in support of their Sunni rebel brothers as something of a betrayal (might have a point) and hence we will be seen as bad.

So now we have America (now bad) and Britain (also bad) providing limited support to Sunni Rebels (bad) many of whom are looking to IS (good / bad) for support against Assad (now good) who, along with Iran (also good) and Putin (also, now, unbelievably, good ) are attempting to retake the country Assad used to run before all this started?

This should clear it all up for you.

Just so you know, I am not taking any questions on this subject !

;-)

Dear Ben Layden

I fully agree with you. The truth always comes out eventually. Even though we feel for all these people unfortunately we cannot change destiny. Life makes us stronger or you decide to let it drown you. Fighting about who is right will never get us anywhere.