On 2017-08-02 08:00:32 gary_g said:
Paige showed herself to be willing to stand up for a friend, even if it meant exposing herself to the potential ire of ESA management. That took guts, and I admire that.

Paige said:

" Posted: 2017-07-26 11:12:34
Dear Gary... Thank you for standing up for Shakira... If the incident with the firearm was true, Shakira would be locked up and not being banned from a restaurant... panic buttons given out? Wat 'n pot snot! Hope someone like you will come to my rescue one day... I love Shakira just the way she is... she's got a good heart.
Just my opinion"

Gary. Ok...you will not like my opinion, but it looks like Paige was singing your praises more than "standing up for a friend". Did I quote the right post? The rest of Paige's posts on the Shakira thread was about pouring Double Bells to various posters she agreed with. I don't agree with you Gary..sorry.

BTW...stupid to "stand up for anybody" if you don't have any facts to back up your campaign.

Now, about the 'eye witness evidence' given by LoveMonkey199:

Here is a guy who writes about how awful it is to disrespect women who then says about Shakira that she was drunk (at a bar no less!!!), loud, bragged about having sex in the parking lot (oh the scandal! Veronica, don't I remember you commenting on 'doing' someone in the toilet of a club once? Haven't there been recent threads about sex in changing rooms at stores and on balconies?) and attacked poor innocent Sharon, who really didn't take R60,000 from a client if we only read her post carefully...

Yeah, right.

At the end of the day, Shakira is accused of harassing someone who was banned for allegedly trying to extort money from punters here. What got her going on this crusade? Your posts. You took no responsibility and ducked for cover when the proverbial shit hit the fan. The old Veronica Franco would never have done that. I'll stand with Shakira any day with regard to making the lives of scammers unpleasant. That you don't, when you started the whole business, speaks volumes about who you are.

As to your remarks about Shakira battling an addiction, the last three times I have seen her, she was sober as a judge (and I mean that in the pre-Motata sense) for our bookings. Maybe you should avoid your comments on other people you don't know; does Shakira drink? Obviously she does. So do a lot of people. Does it interfere with her work or relationships? As far as I can tell from my experience, no.

As to 'attacking' Joy, if attacking someone is defined as responding to their attacks on someone who could not write on their own behalf, I'll plead guilty. Joy could have put your side of the story out without going on to pass judgment on Shakira.

You have evolved from an interesting commentator to an out-and-out troll.

I suggest that the proper response to a troll is to not feed it.

I, for one, won't respond further to you.

@DIRECTORSSS By endorsing what I said, that is standing up. She also went on to comment on the credibility of the 'panic button' claim. That's enough for me, given the current atmosphere on ESA.

How cool ! .. The subject matter of this thread has now changed to "Veronica's Real Character " ... Hahahahaha

Yeah, that's why I was not sure where my post would turn up! But just remember, Don't Feed The Troll!!!

On 2017-08-02 08:30:49 gary_g said:
@DIRECTORSSS By endorsing what I said, that is standing up. She also went on to comment on the credibility of the 'panic button' claim. That's enough for me, given the current atmosphere on ESA.

Ok Gary. The Shakira thread was locked. She said she dont want to come back...because of the thread you started and fueled. You didn't really help her. Its almost like you doing the same on the Paige thread (or whatever thread this is now)

My original question: It seems that you're taking all of this very personally....why?

Change subject heading to Capitals ... LOL

Because I hate injustice. ESA's policy is to ban people for stealing from clients (or advertisers) or posting maliciously. (see under announcements the post by Antionette)

Shakira did neither.

Shakra is a friend.

And I also hate scammers. And Shakira was harassing a scammer, if you want to believe the worst said about her (which I will reserve judgment on).

I think my motivation is pretty understandable. And my original reference on this thread was not labeled by name; it just had to do with Veronica's character. She brought Shakira's name back into it and I am responding to that. I am content to let the matter drop; Eddie and Shakira have made their feelings clear.

And the bullshit still continues

Shakira I still want to shag again your bj are absolutely amazing

@Franco

Apologies to you Sir, I didn't understand what you meant.

I was smoking a herbal blend looking at the ocean but I had no idea it's so strong, 4 puffs later I was on another planet. Now I know I should stick to just 2 puffs

You should try it, it's so nice. Cherry flavor is the sweetest