I have noticed a lot more "Ohne Kondom mit Test" on german sites (No Condom after HIV Test), mainly on swinger and gang bang sites but also on German WGs sites.

I would be interested in the views of medically trained punters on this. Are these just careless germans or am I missing something?

Stupid is more like it... Two words: Window Period

Wtf that's ridiculous!!! I'm a swinger and I'll never shag no man without a dome... Not here not anywhere!!

Not only careless Germans, but also very stupid Germans.

Maybe this is a more constructive question:

What are the minimum tests that one needs to do with a sexual partner to ensure safety?

This applies to everyday life too.

johnd, as Naledi mentioned , there is a window period for certain std's, before they can show up on a blood test...so only fools , these days will do bareback, on any pay for sex platform, or any other platform for that matter.

maybe these links can provide some basic info...Call them!

i-base.info/guides/testing/what-is-the-window-period

clicks.co.za/health/article-view/do-you-have-an-std

I just saw a add on Cumtree in Bloem where the lady charges double rate for bareback.... Scary!!

Although I most certainly not subscribe to this behavior, I can foresee that due to punters seeing regulars and worked up such a trust trust that such a possibility can happen.I wonder if the advertisement is just not a "marketing ploy" to lure unsuspected newbies. Surely no-one is going to use the services of a lady, knowingly that she engages in unprotected sex on a regular basis with "unknown multiple partners". It is just Russian roulette.....

I heard about this from a guy who frequents the German swingers and sex party scene. So as far as that scenario goes, its def the norm.

In South Africa the HIV infection rate is close to 20%, in Germany it is 0,1% (source Wikipedia). I'm quite sure no newbies will be afforded "no condom needed" status in German swingers circles and the like. They'd have to prove themselves first, and not just for HIV. Having said that, it's a numbers game, the chances of a German being in the window period are exceedingly slim compared to us, just look at the stats...