Hi Guys

I'd just like to clear something up from ESA's perspective. When it comes to new sites there are 3 approaches that any webmaster can follow:.

The wrong approach - which quite a few sites have been following - all taking the exact same steps:

1. First they try to post a link to their new website on our forum. We're sorry - it's just not on. It took a lot of work and years of effort to get this site where it is - and there is no such thing as a free lunch. The audacity to punt their sites on a direct competitor's forum immediately tick us of. Very badly - and understandably so.

2. We send them an email asking not to it again. Guess what - they go ahead and do it again anyway (they all did it, the whole lot who tried their luck the first time). At this stage our blood starts to boil and we completely block the address from ever being mentioned.

3. After all this, they have the audacity to email and phone us and threaten us. The general consensus is always 'HOW DARE YOU BLOCK US OFF YOUR SITE!?!?'. 'FUCK YOU!' 'WE WILL SHOW YOU!' I mean duh... it's our server, our bandwidth, our effort. We have full right to do that if you blatantly ignored our request NOT to post your site on the forum.

4. At this stage some site owners take it even further and starts phoning with things like 'We are going to directly copy all your stuff and take all you pictures and there nothing you can do about it'. And I'm quoting at least 2 webmasters who said those words sometime in the last year.

5. The final result: We get into massive feuds with people. We ban, we block, we burn any relationship there is, because we're not interested in dealing with people who use such underhanded tactics. So my question to people who share worldcitizen's sentiments about our 'morals and standards' are: how would you react if one of your clients all of a sudden become your competitor, and your client parks his advertising trailer right in front of your business that you built up for years? And then have the audicity to walk in and steal your stock in broad daylight? Really now, there's nothing wrong with our morals and standards. 'Morals and standards' doesn't mean 'take it up the arse'


The right way:

We're not stupid people. I say this because it seems that the general idea out there is that we wouldn't be open to things like JVs. They think we must be stupid if we run a site like this. We're business people who just accidently 'fell' into this whole escort thing. It grabs you and won't really let go. We can all apply our time and effort on much more advanced/mainstream endavours, but at this stage - ESA puts the food on the table.

And we DO see the advantage of JV's. I mean, our entire store is a JV. We had such a successful JV with Adult Inc that ST decided to spend large sums on money just to squash it.


So, to all potential website owners thinking about launching a similar site to this. This is how you do it:

1. You contact us and and work out some sort of advertising deal. Once you have a deal in place you can promote your site on our forum.

2. You work out a deal with us like Adult Inc did. The deal we had with adult inc was that advertisers could get onto both sites for R 500. Your photographers are already out on the road - why not make extra cash from it and at the same time give your clients massive exposure. Our photographers are also out on the road. Why not get extra content for you site as well? The JV we had with Adult Inc was massively successful. And that's what JVs are about - two companies helping each other work towards a common goal, with advantages for everyone involved.

3. The result: No fights, no banning - your clients are happy. Our clients are happy.

Then of course there is the 3rd option. Going at it alone. By all means - do that. Thank you to all those site owners who know about ESA, started their own sites, but never tried any low-ball tactics. We noticed, and we respect you for that.

All in all - it comes down to the appoach. Below the belt tactics will get nobody nowhere - and we'll fight back tooth and nail. Have a bit of common decency and we'll help where we can.

Hopefully this puts things in perspective

Regards

James

I strongly disagree with your statement on 'normal business practises'. What's happening here is the equivalent of a Checkers employee walking into Pick 'n Pay - announcing their specials on Pick 'n Pays PA system, and then that employee gets pissed off and shouts obscenities at the manager because security caries them out. There is just NOTHING normal about that.

As someone who has established a number of decent websites - not in this industry - I know the hard work it takes, and if someone came at me with that approach, I'd do EXACTLY the same thing.

Decent enough of ESA to even offer a JV.

Shoot em down James!

UNT, you are wrong. No retailer's spy walks into the oppositions supermarket and slaps up a sign saying ''These guys are ripping you off, come shop with us''

Getting intelligence about a competitors pricing is legitimate business practice... you'd be a fool if you didn't.

As for parking an advertising billboard outside your competitors store... well that's also legitimate. Your competitor can outbid you and place their own advertising... besides, it's public land OUTSIDE your store. Just like the Internet is a public area for an ESA competitor. There's no problem with that.

Sure. You're quite correct. Head hunting is very common. Bad mouthing the competition to the staff of the competition is also very common. But that's very different from slapping up a Checkers billboard INSIDE a Pick 'n Pay.

I would like to add that most industries are regulated by some form of legalised laws. This industry isnt. But at the same time, everything that happens in this industry is the cruel, raw, brutal reality of what happens in REAL life. This is life at its rawest form. Reality is a blurred expression of this industry of humans pretending, numbing emotions and not dealing with LIFE realistically. Even in regulated industries there are bribes..... Under the table deals.....

Greed !!!!!Its about money, power, conspiracy, bitterness and what u know about who u know! In the last 12 months I have realised everyone is out there for themselves no matter who they trample, how it affects another human beings personal life or relationships.

Bottom line .... WELCOME TO HUMANITY AND ITS FUTURE!

Is this the kind of legacy we wish to leave our children?

Not ME! Thats why I dont post that often anymore....

I think we all need a reality check,.... do u get up in the morning and look in the mirror and like the person you are? Do u get into bed knowing you helped make someones life better today and perhaps for everyday after. Or do u get into bed waiting anxiously to see how much more misery, harm, conflict and hurt u can inflict on someone else?

What drives you to be who you are and where are you going?

Do u want to benefit mankind and its future or destroy it?
What is your legacy you wish to die with?

ARZ

PS Bad publicity attracts more attention! The nastier, uglier, dirtier more mean the story... the more it is read..... Good Luck to those who thrive, contribute and rejoice in that way.

I am not part of your sad, lonely existance, and need for approval.

I am stronger and secure enough in my skin! I love who I am! I earned my place, I took the knocks, and I can lay my head on my pillow tonight and close my eyes, with my heart as light as a feather.


NOW ASK YOURSELF.... Can u?

Dear Arz

That was the best peace of material i have yet to read on this forum..

Wow, I don't think any one could have said it better.
You know, in the last year i have seen more back stabbing and people hurting other people to take revenge, scheming, lying,cunning just to get them selves a little further.

I work for my every little spot in the lime light, and for my bread and butter and while i am working i see and hear all these bad things people are saying and doing to each other, because they are bitter.

We have all made mistakes, but we can repent and move on to being a better person, we live and learn as they say.

I like what you said now 100%...the way you describe this reality is so accurate its scary to think about it.

I thank you Arz, your post is just one more thing that inspires me to stay good at heart, though its hard at times when people hurt you, but the wheel turns and its not up to me to punish others.

Jess

James, my apologies if I didn't explain myself clearly. I was definitely NOT referring to people putting up other sites. You are well within your rights not to allow advertising of other sites on your site. Could not agree more and I have a lot of respect for you and your work.

And no, I'm most definitely not a WG nor do I have any sites that I want to 'punt' here.

My post was directed to Eddie. There are countless examples on the forum of working girls, who pay to advertise here, being insulted and treated with disrespect. One example that will paint you the picture is obviously lick. Never in all the threads I've read has there ever been someone who so consistently views working girls with such utter contempt and loathing. And yet he gets appointed as ESA's representative! That's the sort of action from ESA that fills me with disgust and makes me question your morals and ethics, amongst a few other things.

Think about it - how would you feel if you walked into a shop to buy something and were insulted and treated like scum by the shop assistant, and yet at the same time were expected to buy and pay for things at the shop.

Clean up or get cleaned out.

Worldcitizen, I have insulted no one, you are trying to create an negative impression to discredit ESA for you own agenda, who know what it is.

Lick works on a freelance basis, and this has occurred recently, his photographic work is more than acceptable. It is not easy to find competent photographers, so when one comes along I do my best to snatch them up.

We treat our clients very well and do all we can to maximise their earnings. Look at our daily updates and new listings. Would advertisers stay with us if we treated them badly, they certianly would not.

Advertisers get involved in lively debates by their own choice, no need to play victim on their behalf as their are no victims here. The ladies who list have been empowered by this site and resource more so than ever has been seen in this industry.

If you so disgusted feel free to no longer use this resource. No one is forcing you to read this forum or use this site, you are here by your own free choice.

Kind regards
Eddie
ESA SUPPORT

Eddie, I have no agenda dude and I have nothing to gain by discrediting you. I am expressing my opinion because I really used to enjoy this site and I'm dissappointed at what's happened to it.

And I never said the advertisers were victims. I am not a victim if I go into a shop and get treated badly. I am an unhappy and angry customer who will put up with you until I find another shop somewhere else which can offer me the same or better product without the disrespect and insults.